In his new book, “Paradigm Lost: From Two-State Solution to One-State Reality,†Ian Lustick describes the end of not only the two-state solution, but also the idea of partition.
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To the Fools of the World.The World needs to get this fact into their brain. GOD gave the land that Israel is on, including Judea and Samaria to the children of Israel over 3,000 years ago. He has not changed his mind. GOD will destroy any man or any nation that tries to force Israel to give up any of the land that he gave them. That includes Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. According to Prophecy of the Holy Bible and the Tanach, all nations shall come against Israel and GOD will himself destroy all of their armies. Things are being set up for that to happen. David, servant of GOD.
really good responses from Ian
There were never plans for a two state solution and anyone not familar with the conflict who is asked to look at a current map can see it impossible for two states to be formed. It's nothing more then a ploy that politicians use when talking about peace. The West Bank is settlement ridden. There can only be a single state now. How will this end? Assimilation or expulsion of Palestinians? In Gaza the water this year has been officially declared undrinkable and among the other hells Palestinians go through COVID-19 is on its way. Being pragmatic I think slowly but surely like in all conquered nations there will be a very long process of assimilation. Like the US and in my country Australia and through out all of history the strong devour the weak and call themselves justice after the mass slaughter. Why would the story be any different here?
One-state was a good idea, if you LISTENED to professor Ilan Pappé, but of course most people don't. A good one-state solution would be Palestine and them all being able to get along well. The one-state solution most people seem to be speaking of is Israel as boss and this is definitely not good. So, what one-state, two-state solutions are all of you talking about, because it always seems to place Israel as boss and that's NOT the way it should be. This state of Israel shouldn't even exist, but our western powers made this madness happen. I have nothing against conscientious Jews, for there are plenty, but they don't get front stage. They're here and they do speak out, but it's like there's a lot of deafness in this world. I'm not Jew but know that there definitely are quite a considerable number who speak out and we just don't get much word of this. Sad world.
People who support the two-state solution don't have a damn clue what they're talking about, for this current state of Israel was established mainly by western powers, hegimonically, hypocritically, imperialistically, using so-called Jews from EASTERN EUROPE, not from the Middle East, of course these powers ALWAYS refuse to correct their wrongs, as we can learn from REAL US and Canadian history, plus a lot more, for these bastards form the superpower "party" of this planet, doesn't make them right, but they have the power and apply it at will. Well, why support the two-state solution between Israel and Palestine when Israeli govt has been damn HELL BENT for the past 70 years or so and the first Eastern Eu. Jews were graciously welcomed; only created by our damn govts, genociding Palestinians, when this damn Israel should've NEVER been established to begin with, as some orthodox or ultra-orthodox Jews, Naturei Karta, f.e., have been long saying or arguing. This Israel was CRIMINALLY established and you wouldn't allow this to happen to your country but do it to others. Christ, i.e., J/Yeshuah of Nazareth, " Do unto others as you'd like to be done for you ", and Confucious, " _Don't do unto others as you wouldn't want done unto you _". This Israel is HELL BENT, or else hell doesn't exist. Does Israel want terrorism? Israel is a principle terrorist state on this planet. Now, what about Washington, and, of course, its allies ; of course terrorist states. Now, how we define terrorism may vary, but these are all terrorist states. You might argue otherwise, but I'm prepared for that. Disagree? Bring on your argument. I'll sink your ship. After all, you'd be siding with the world's worst, fiercest terrorists. FACE REALITY. It's right in our faces.
I'm not against govt but am against corrupt govt. I definitely don't blame all people working as emp's of govt. The leadership is where the problem starts, and that unfortunately leads us to voters and corporations. When our govts do go, then great, but they do a hell of a lot that isn't good and this is a serious problem. Majority? Dunces.
The left are viciously attacked as "antisemites", because the alternative is that the establishment admit that Israel is an apartheid, rogue state, guilty of multiple ongoing war crimes including occupation, annexation of Syrian land, ethnic cleansing, and murdering civilians. Not to mention election interference in the US and UK. Britain and the US can never admit the blood on their hands, from supporting the settler colonial state of Israel. But they are losing the long established consensus, and must therefore enact more draconian measures to prevent criticism of a rogue state. In the US the BDS movement has been criminalised, and public officers must take medieval "oaths" of fealty to Israel, to never join a protest movement like BDS. Even Tulsi voted for it. It is an abrogation of the first amendment.
British politicians are terrified of Israel. The supposedly "left-wing" Labour party has pledged similar, humiliating, pledges, to RIGHT WING jewish organisations – does this make sense? Labour have made "tackling anti semitism", not the Covid19 virus which has killed 5000 in the UK, not the economy, not living standards, but "antisemitism" (which amounts to some critical tweets about Israel) – their top "priority". Yet we are told that its a "trope" that Israel has any sway over politicians?
There is no other country that British politicians have to pledge allegiance to, not even the US!
Every time the Israeli regime murders thousands of children, critical voices are met by the abusive, mendacious, British state and corporate media, with the "does Israel have a right to exist?" trope. In the act of murder, we are asked to consider the "rights" of those committing murder. Countries have no "right to exist", their creation is entirely artificial.They are just trying to get you to say that Israel should be "wiped out", if it does not have a right to exist – which it not true, a state can be illegal without there being the absurd consequence of genocide! The scum media always ensnare weak leftist politicians with this false argument. They NEVER ask "do Palestinians have a right to exist". Britain and the US, can NEVER be honest brokers of peace. The biggest purveyors of war, and the tools of war, cannot speak a word in the name of PEACE.
As for the British ruling class "right to exist" canard; states exist because of force, not because of "rights". If it were not for force, then the Roman and Mongol Empires would still exist. Countries do not exist because they are a good idea, or because its fair, or just, they are created by force, borders are established and enforced by force, not by prosaic abstract arguments. There is no international law that allows Israel to annex Syrian and Palestinian land, and yet they have, not because of Israel's "right to exist" but because they occupied it by force.
One day the occupation will end. That will happen in 10 years from now, or 50, or 100, and after who knows how many more dead, how many more widows and orphans. The choice was and still is between dividing the country into two states and bringing about reconciliation between two peoples, or 1 state with equal rights for all, or having a conflicted binational state in which two nations shed each other’s blood.
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I hope their political discourse is on a higher level their the one of the physics of fire.
You "one state solution" would amount to the surrender of Israel as a Jewish State. Why would a nation surrender that has won every war it has ever fought?
Currently in 2020 there are 2 million Palestinians living in a concentration camp the biggest prison on earth GAZA. Forget about the past and the two state solution. Anyone that claims different is a Zionist that wants to genocide and enslave the Arabs
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Can someone explain to me why the interviewer hadn’t understood the book, why the author didn’t seem to be familiar with the Chomsky/Pappe model of the one-state solution which suggests a very simple way of getting to those “pretty pictures†he was talking about: the US could stop providing it with weapons and stop generally messing about with the politics of the Middle East, and force the Israeli government to work with, say, the United Nations. This pi3ece was not up to your usual excellent standards.
There is no 2 state solution. There is no 2 party solution. It’s time to spread people first politics, loving called DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM. A little socialism will benefit any country:
https://youtu.be/hJ9mEtOowcI
What Mr. Lustick failed to mention is that the two state solution was a smoke screen from the very beginning ask any Palestinian, Israel had no intentions of abiding by the two state model, it is being use to acquire more Palestinian land till there is not enough land to make a country, and that's where we're at, so now the Zionist will say " well, since there isn't enough land to make a Palestinian home land we'll just do a one state for all with one man one vote, unless you're Palestinian, give me a break.
Your guest Dr. Lustick is the best example of a civilized person with a humanitarian approach to matters political. But has he ever thought what the Zionists plan to do , in order to avoid the dilemma he envisions?? They overtly say already , that they are going to expel the indigenous population at a time of an emergency, so they will not have to continue the apartheid regime of today. They have already bought and paid a regime in Washington to support them. As long as it stands on its feet.
One democratic state was always the only just solution
Now it should be seen as just the only solution
Death of? Nah the plan was exactly what we are witnessing. Completely takeover and there is no authority in this world because that so called authority hasn’t done shit. All this tip toeing lunatics in dark places are the problem. 2 state on someone else’s land that would never happen in England or Spain.
One stare solution – Palestine. Where all citizens were equal and lived harmoniously together. They didn't even have a military. Under Zionist-occupation, it's just terrorism everyday.
It's racism. It's Israel murdering innocents with impunity. With American guns. I'm praying the covid kills ofg the elitists.
The Zionists murdered Folke Bernadotte, a U.N. Peacekeeper and the nephew of the Swedish King. Why? His two-state solution divided Palestine into a simple north and south and Palestinians who lived in the area for the Zionists would be able to keep their home without being made to give up their nationality. As he was being driven into Zionist-occupied territory, unarmed, he was assassinated by Zionists who went on to become fondly-remembered leaders of the Zionist occupiers.
@Linda Steckle, why would they inflict shoah upon others , sounds like total hypocrisy…!?!