Con man lures mother on dating app before her disappearance – Everything Law and Order Blog

In this episode of Crime Watch Daily Updates: Nancy Hartz was a 71-year-old widow living in Arizona. She turned to a dating website in hopes of meeting someone special, and she started chatting with a man named Ray Carnochan.

Nancy and Ray messaged several times per day and formed a connection, but location seemed to be an issue with her living in Arizona and Ray in Utah. One day, she emailed Ray and said she wanted to finally meet him in person.

Ray ventured to Arizona to visit her, and within a few months, he convinced her to sell her home and car and to leave with him. The two drove off into the sunset together, but Nancy and Ray would hardly live happily ever after.

Nancy’s kids became concerned after they received emails apparently from Nancy, but the wording and tone didn’t feel like their mom. They hired a private investigator, who then took his findings to the local sheriff’s department in Arizona. Then, detectives learned Ray stole someone else’s identity. That was enough to book him.

Ray was arrested April 13, 2016, in Yucca, Arizona, on fraud-related charges, but Nancy was nowhere to be seen. It turns out “Ray” was actually a man named Robert Carnochan who went by 18 different aliases.

He might have had a pattern, too. Two other elderly women were reported missing out of Las Vegas and Arizona, and they hadn’t been seen since 2011 and 2008, and he later became the main suspect in their disappearances, too.

Carnochan was found guilty of forgery, identity theft, and misconduct involving weapons in 2017 and sentenced to 16 years in prison.

But what about Nancy?

On May 1, 2019, Mohave County Sheriff’s Office detectives received a call about the discovery of skeletal remains in a remote area of the desert near Topock, Arizona. Investigators collected the remains and sent them to a lab for testing. On December 1, 2020, the remains were positively identified as Nancy Hartz. The autopsy conducted in February 2021 determined she died of gunshot wounds, and her manner of death was homicide.

The sheriff’s office had said that while Robert Carnochan was the main suspect in Nancy’s disappearance, there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him without finding her body. Unfortunately, Robert would never be indicted on charges relating to her murder.

He died in prison on September 17, 2020.

Let’s look back at the case of a woman who only wanted to find love, but who ended up with a con man who likely cheated her out of her last days.

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41 thoughts on “Con man lures mother on dating app before her disappearance”
  1. I hope he's DNA is kept on file to test and solve any cold cases. It's pretty obvious if three women linked to him were never seen again and one was shot dead he would be linked to many cases. So sad he's victims will never get justice and they only wanted to be loved.

  2. why would they make up questions for her to answer? a few words out of her mouth & they should know if its their mothers voice or not

  3. The deputies could have demand a FaceTime or an in person video. That would be bare minimum police work. So damn lazy.

  4. Stay OFF DATING APPS. Its not worth the risk. Men and women learn as they go along how to manipulate others. Its like a criminals guide book!! Please use all senses! Your life is precious and YOU MATTER to your loved ones!

  5. Age 71, twice divorced and looking for love? Really? Why invite trouble into your life, especially at that age?

  6. Isnt an acomplis? SHE'S PRETENDING TO BE ANOTHER WOMEN TO POLICE TO COVER THE TRACKS OF HER CURRENT LOVER? I mean wtf is that dude talking about. Yeah, maybe she wasn't part of Nancy's disappearance BUT she's clearly breaking the law and knowingly lying to the police about being someone she isn't to try back up her boyfriend. He sounds like an absolute clueless fool saying such a thing. If I was Nancy's daughter/family id be absolutely disgusted with this statement and angry in general in regards to the terrible police work of them trying to confirm Nancy is alive and well because they clearly f##ked up on that, too!

  7. Can someone explain to me how the police who interviewed "Nancy" and thought all was well? Surely they needed to confirm she was infact the women. A phone call isnt enough and isnt sufficiant enough proof/clossure for the family considering anyone can pretend to be someone else on the phone. Pictures from her family/daughter should have been compared and contrasted with whoever this women was AND they (police) should have taken a photo of the women posing as Nancy and then ask the family/daughter if this is infact her mother? It's f##king criminal that nothing like that was ever done considering how important a missing persons case is ment to be.

  8. I pray he was caught and is in prison for what he did.. So sad for these ladies .Their families that are searching for their moms.. Tragic!!

  9. 71 YEARS OLD INVITING STRANGERS INTO HER HOME?!?!?!?!? WTFFFFFF! Dang these strangers GOT SOME GOOD GAME! if they we salesmen, they would be RICH beyond their wildest dreams and never need to lie, cheat, steal or kill. STRANGERS ARE STILL DANGEROUS AND STILL KILLING!

  10. I am a widow and tried online dating. And I met this man who told me he owned a home in a very expensive neighborhood and was trying to get his ex wife out to sell. Long story short, on the first date, he wanted me to look at condos on the water with him that were selling for $750,000.00. He kept saying, wouldn't that be a great first date? wouldn't it be funny if we bought this penthouse condo for a great deal and have a funny story to tell our grandkids about how we took a leap of faith and bought a property the day we met? When I protested he said "you own you home don't you? , isn't it too large for you? ". I knew then that he found out a do indeed own a home, a 10 room, 5 bedroom home with a large property. He said your getting older, you should downsize. I immediately hung up, blocked him, notified the dating site and called my local police to report him. This guy was def trying to swindle a widow our of cash. I thought great a penthouse in both our names, until he pushes me off the balcony! True story. This happened last summer, and I refuse to do dating apps anymore.

  11. I’m an older person and cannot believe all these women who get taken it by these scum bags.all I can say the women must be very lonely or insecure,get a older pet to look after.

  12. Some ppl are single for a reason. Stop going on these dating apps . She lived to get that old only to be dead by this crazy 😑

  13. Off topic. Would you do an update on Amber Hagerman? She is the girl our AMBER alert is named for. Her killer has never been found.

  14. God Bless her soul…and all who are missing. May her family have peace of heart and mind. He will get what he deserves. Can't trust anyone on the internet.

  15. Just say, NO!
    😆
    I have adult children and grandchildren.
    When I need a handy man, I will hire him. Get the work done and he can get off my property.
    No money here. I'm broke.

  16. WOMEN DON'T PICK UP AND VANISH FROM THEIR CHILDREN'S LIVES UNLESS THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. Law enforcement needs to stop thinking of women as silly unpredictable dingdongs and assume that, when a woman disappears, the man closest to her probably had a hand in it.

  17. But the minute she saw that picture of Ray she should have 🏃 for her life
    Those extra large ears, that almost "invisible line" he calls lips😂😂that bog ugly nose, damn who put Ray together???
    She was very desperate and thirsty for company😝😝😖

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