Absolutely INSANE Officer Involved Shooting

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2. Legit am sheding tears at this one. Those poor officers having to go through that, and that poor deranged person that ended up like that. He was obviously very suicidal, wanting to end his life that day, litteraly telling the officers to shoot him. He unfortunately, but also justifiably, got his ill-gotten wish. I'm still so sad from this for all people there including the man who unfortunately had to have lethal force used upon him. I think he knew the officers would shoot when he starts charging, and litteraly used the officers to do what he couldn't do himself that he wanted that day so badly…. commit suicide. May GOD have mercy on his soul and of all who wish to be deceased. RIP

3. I feel so sorry for the guys in uniform . This must be so traumatic for them. The guy could have been mentally unstable as well. This whole situation is so hard to watch. Stay safe and God bless. Lets all take care of our loved ones, our minds, body and soul.

4. I'd like to use lethal

5. This is an impossible situation. I just don't know what to say.
   These cops really were good men they really tried to not shoot him.

6. How I Think Uniformed Officers Are Trained

   I think I understand some of the principles uniformed officers are formally or informally trained to live by, but maybe I’m wrong. If you were trained as a uniformed police officer and I’m wrong, please correct me.

   Here are some of the principles I think uniformed officers are trained to follow.

   Take Charge: Exercise dominance over every person you deal with. You’re not there to debate with people or to beg them to cooperate with you. You’re there to respond to a potentially dangerous or criminal situation. In order to get the information and cooperation you need, let everyone know that you’re in charge and that they have to take orders from you.

   Punish Disobedience: If people know that there’s no downside to running from you then they’ll run all the time, but if they know that if they run that you’ll make them suffer for it, they’ll be far less likely to run in the first place.

   No Warning Shots: If you feel that you might have to shoot someone, you cannot fire a warning shot. Warning shots can ricochet and hit innocent people. A warning shot also might incite the suspect to charge at you. If you shoot, shoot to kill.

   Avoid Close Combat: If anyone defies your orders and brandishes anything that might possibly be used as a weapon do not approach the individual and physically engage him. You could be stabbed or injured and he might grab your gun. Instead stand back, and if he continues to defy your clear orders, shoot him. Your job is to act in the way that is safest for you. He has the option to obey your commands or not. If he refuses then his getting shot is on him.

   Shoot To Kill: If you shoot, do not aim for a shoulder or a leg. Aim for center mass. If you aim at a smaller target and miss, the subject might be able to close with you and stab you, assault you or take your gun before you get the chance to fire again.

   Keep On Shooting: If you shoot, keep shooting until the subject stops moving. If the subject is on PCP or some other drug it might take several shots to bring him down. If you shoot only once he might be able to close with you and stab you, assault you or take your gun before you can fire again

   Essentially, these rules boil down to this instruction:

   If someone appears to possibly be a threat and he defies your orders, it’s OK to kill him.

   I’m sure that uniformed officers think these rules are proper, that if people simply followed orders they wouldn’t get killed. If they don’t, then getting killed is the price they pay for disobeying the police.

   These Rules Are Inappropriate For Policing A Civilian Population

   The thing is, these are the kinds of rules that might be appropriate for an occupying army trying to police an enemy population in time of war. These are the types of rules that under rare circumstances might be appropriate when dealing with the one-quarter of one percent of the population that are violent, crazed, gun-carrying felons.

   They aren’t the kinds of rules that are appropriate for dealing with the remaining 99.75% of the population.

   The 99.75% of the population that are not armed, violent felons expect the police to help them, not dominate them. They expect the police to protect them, not shoot them. They expect the police to demonstrate reasonable conduct suitable for dealing with a civilian population in suburban Oklahoma, not practice a “Do-what-I say-or-Ill-kill-you” form of conduct that would be more appropriate for marines operating in the tribal areas of Afghanistan.

   Unacceptable Police Training

   As civilians, as citizens, we should find it unacceptable that:

   A police officer who is supposed to protect us is told that if he kills a person whom he thinks has a gun he’ll be commended but if instead of killing him he fires a warning shot that he’ll be punished or fired;

   A police officer who is supposed to protect us is trained that when he shoots that he should not aim at a thigh or a shoulder but rather that he should aim for the chest, essentially that he should shoot to kill;

   A police officer who is supposed to protect the citizens is trained not to fire just once, but rather to shoot again and again and again until his target is on the ground and no longer moving.

   A police officer who is supposed to be protecting us is trained to shoot to kill possibly unarmed citizens who do not follow his instructions.

   The Balance Between Officer Safety And Killing The People You’re Supposed To Protect

   Yes, it’s probably safer for the police to stand back ten feet and put 19 bullets into a man who refuses their orders to drop a six-inch knife like the San Francisco PD did a few months ago instead of moving in and knocking the knife away with their batons.

   Yes, it’s probably safer for an officer to kill man who reaches for his wallet than to step away from the car and hold his fire.

   Yes, it’s probably safer for an officer to put four bullets into the chest of a man holding something that might be a gun but wasn’t, instead of shooting him only once.

   Yes, it’s probably safer for an officer to kill a thirteen-year-old boy holding a toy gun than to fire a bullet into the dirt in front of the kid to shock him into dropping the apparent gun.

   But from the point of view of the citizens whom the police are supposed to be protecting, not killing, those are not good enough reasons for their fatal conduct.

   Those are risks you’re expected to take when you sign up for the job.

   What The Rules Should Be

   I think that the citizens who are supposedly being protected by the police they hire and pay for expect the rules to be:

   These are your fellow citizens. In the long run, acting like members of an invading army occupying hostile territory makes your job harder, not easier. Civilian police need the respect and cooperation of the people they’re supposed to protect, so members of the public should be treated with respect unless and until they prove they don’t deserve it.

   Your job is to catch criminals not punish them. If people run, let the D.A. add a resisting arrest charge and ask the judge to give him an extra couple of months in lock-up. When you beat people who run from you or disrespect you, you just become a thug with a badge.

   If someone appears to have a firearm, a sword, an ax or other long weapon and your Taser has been ineffective then, as a last resort, fire a warning shot before shooting them.

   If someone defies your orders and brandishes something small (not a firearm) that might be used as a weapon, a knife, a wrench, or the like, use your baton. Do not shoot him.

   If you must shoot, aim for a shoulder or a leg.

   If you shoot, unless the person is charging or still aiming a firearm at you, stop shooting after the first shot.

   How Should The Job Be Done?

   I suspect uniformed officers will hate these kinds of rules, but if their idea of being a cop is that they should be able to stand back ten feet and put five slugs into someone who might be unarmed because he’s not obeying their orders then I think they’ve got the wrong idea of what the job is and how it should be done, and that they shouldn’t be a cop anymore than I should.

   Fix The Problem At Its Source — Change Police Officer Training

   If we want to stop uniformed police officers from killing citizens we have to start at the source. We have to change the uniformed officers’ training and the rules they live by.

   Riots, demonstrations, protests, prosecutions, even jail time will not stop the police from killing unarmed people so long as the cops are told that if someone who might or might not be armed disobeys their orders that they’re fully entitled to shoot to kill.

7. And this is why people with knifes are deadlier than guns in close quarters. Drives me nuts when people say "he only had a knife and not a gun"

8. 4:07…..at this point here the guy has been shot 4 or more times, hes on the ground….if the cop had of raced in and taken the knife from him and cuffed him at this point its possible he could have survived……as usual…..cop dosent take the opportunity he was given…

9. 4:34….2 shots were enough…..didnt need 4

10. at the end of the video……did any of them even try to get him to the hospital….?

11. Why did they walk so far?

12. I still cry when I just hear the desperation and fear in his voice. It hurts.

13. The Officers at Clarke are trained freakin well. You see how he puts a bullet on the suspect while holding his partner? That's Some Aiming Right There.

14. Respect and appreciation for the officers involved. Wow, this guy wanted to die and they tried soooooo hard to save him.

15. Mag dump

16. That's not a knife, that's a zweihander! LOL

17. I have seen some horrible things while serving in a Fire Department. Why the man acted in the way he did, we may never know, nor understand. Even if it was explained to us it probably would not make any sense. Unfortunate.

    These officers were placed in harm's way. Due to training, clear thinking and a sense of duty, they performed their jobs with distinction. However, having to harm someone, having to shoot a citizen is a very difficult thing. My heart goes out to those involved in this horrible incident. Most people would not be able to do what these officers do – because it is difficult. It takes a rare kind of character to assume a career in law enforcement, and to stay in it.

    Because of men and women in law enforcement, either in the field or in supporting roles, because of all of them our society and way of life is more secure. I was crazy enough to run into burning buildings or to be involved in hazardous situations. I chose to serve my community as a volunteer because my community has (and does) give me so much. But, what law enforcement does goes way beyond that. They deserve our greatest respect and our support – always, unconditionally.

    I have the deepest respect and the deepest admiration for all law enforcement professionals.

    Thank you, and my God protect you and those you love. I pray that you will go home – safe – for many years.

18. Training video for EVERY department ANYWHERE!

19. so crazy and sad….what was going on in that man's mind and life…..

20. Wow. Feel sorry for the police. They seemed liked really good guys.

21. Notice how the guy in the yellow shirt clearly ran 21+ft in 2.5-3.5secs before the cop could process. This is why many trainers tell you that you'll likely get cut via a knife wielder. Average draw time is 3 secs. I am curious as to why that officer wasn't already drawn giving the standing situation? Was he trying to reholster? That confused me. If you see your buddies drawn….why wouldn't you be drawn as well?

22. He should have never gotten that close to that cop.

23. Seeing it and reading the discription it's hard to say ,but Mike right as better training and tech to deal with the situation less ordinary. Mace and tazer work well but if you don't make full contact then you'll got him right next to the officer ,you've got bean bag rounds then if the guys on pcp then there's a chance he won't feel it ,we remember the video where the guy thought he was blade and took 8 rounds like it was nothing . I thought the US had approved the remote tazer round for a modified shotgun ,even on pcp you can't help but spasm with that amount of volts ,officers could have kept a fare distance and dropped him to to run and get gas on him and clear the knife ,I dunno if he was mentally unhinged, drunk or on something . No officer involved that day went home bragging ,am sure they will questioned themselves that they had to take a life but in all honesty they had no option as he was intent on injuring the officers ,wasn't like he was faking a charge cause he was depressed looking for suicide by cop ,he had full intention to harm them ,good training that day saved the officers lives and others if he managed to gain the officers side arm

24. God bless those officers.
    They did what they HAD to do.

25. "WhY DiDn'T yOu JuSt ShoOt HiM iN tHe lEg?!?!"

26. I appreciate the difficulty in training every officer in every little town. But it looks like out police forces lack some more diverse tools. If all you have in your toolbox is a gun and a taser, there's really little hope of situation like this ever ending well. Could they use ballistic shields for example?
    I also understand completely that officers did not want to engage him hand to hand. But when he got to one of the officers I was very surprised that the officer pretty much just submitted. Or at least that's what it looked like.

27. The guy most have juggernaut from black ops zombies lol

28. It’s sad I know how the police that have to shot someone feels ! I had a home invasion in 2017 and had to defend my family and myself . Thankfully he survived and police got to my house fast but I still struggle with it

29. I'm seeing a text book case of "Suicide by cops".

30. If I was a officer in a situation like that I would shoot him a rubber round or something

31. Man that moment when his partner rolled on the ground i just got sanked m8, f up situation right there

32. Hey mike can you run me though this, at 4:24–4:25 you can see that he doesn't have anything on him and as a matter of fact you can see he has nothing in his hands anymore. why don't the officers try and subdue him? is it because he already posed a threat? why do the cops keep treating him like he still has a knife? I just want your take.

33. Coward policeman could have grabbed the perp easily after the first set of shots while he was stunned but instead stared at him like a little girl. They had a chance but let him get up and run amuck. what a circus show.

34. Why even carry mace and tasers if you have no intention of using them? I wouldn't call this restraint, there are 2 cops. None thought, hey maybe I can spray him with mace, or shoot him with my taser? You chose to do a dangerous job. Killing people isn't an option. If you don't want to do your job because you're afraid, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. You cannot find something to hide behind Jesus, there are 2 of you.

35. Athens-Clarke County Police (GA) is one of the best trained and disciplined agencies in the State. This is partly because they hosted what used to be the Northeast Georgia Police Academy and many of their senior officers/detectives are POST Instructors at that academy. There is now a much larger training facility (Georgia Public Safety Training Center – Athens) and have expanded training from the Basic Police Course to Jail Officer, Firefighter training and numerous advanced training courses.

    Again, many of the "seasoned" and experienced officers with ACCPD are Instructors at that new, very large, facility. One of the premier instructors that is multi-disciplined in martial arts (Casey Baynes) teaches many of the tactical procedures that ACCPD utilizes. I had the honor of working with Casey for several years before I retired 20 years ago. (Wow, Casey is getting old.)

    Because Athens, GA is also home to UGA (University of Georgia) the officers with ACCPD are in nearly year-round contact with college-age students off-campus, which requires a specialized level of restraint and discipline. I would venture to guess that, in nearly every body cam video from this agency, you'll witness that superior level of professionalism.

36. I wish these oficers were at the hotel for Daniel Shaffer amd those officers here when it happened.

37. Goddamn… no informational video could show this side of these encounters this powerfully…

    We’ve all seen the ones where it felt like they could of done so much more before opening fire… not this one.

    They did everything they possibly could to save that man, begged and pleaded…
    not “drop it or your fucking dead!”
    But.. “please, just put it down, we can help you”

    All the way out to the road. They probably could if escalated it right there to prevent bystanders becoming involved… but they stepped out onto the road, risking their lives even further to provide the man a few more moments to make the right choice…

    Tragically it wasn’t enough…
    But from that point it was like a damn movie… suspect charges, takes at least three rounds to the body, barely even stumbles, grabs an officer in what looks like a hostage scene from a drama, the officer screams in a way that sends chills down my spine, that’s a man that knows he’s moments from having his throat cut…
    Switch body cam, officer waits till nail the final point of no return, the next movement is his college being murderd.
    Bang, one to the forehead, gun stays trained on the head as he slumps away, as soon as the suspects clear of the officer, 2 shots to make sure..

    Dead silence as a bunch of hero’s consider what they have just gone through and what they may or may not have done differently… as one hero tries to catch up on 30 odd years of prayer.

    If you wrote that scene in a movie… it would be lame and over done.
    To see it in real life…. I don’t know the right adjectives. But it offers a ton of perspective.

    Kudos to those officers. And condolences to everybody involved

38. Can this really be according to training? They are walking backwards for so long. One of them falls and he is dead. I don't understand why do they not stand their ground?
    And after he shot the guy, he cannot be sure the guy is stopped, yet he holsters his weapon and cannot reach it in time to save his life?

39. Please at least punch the guy dont just let him get your back wow wheres the training.

40. What a dumb cop he lets the guy grab him and slit his throat if he wanted?? bro use your gun its life or death. If you wanna be a police officer you need to have the stomach to use your gun if your life depends on it.

41. White, black, purple or green…you can't force help on someone. Especially the insane.

42. Those officers were very patient. i applaud them for that, it got them out of the line of fire of the rest of the residents.

43. DEFINITELY would had less violence if they had used a taser first as they're good for a stunned moment to reach and grab the knife; but they used several bullets first, allowing the suspect to try grab a gun… still the cops did an OK job, not a bad one. Given the difference between practice and real events, they still got a decent "score".

44. how did he get the officer in that hold at the end the was crazy and he did it after being shot like 6 times now i know why cops unload a whole clip into a suspect

45. scary as fuck

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