The BBC’s Mike Wendling explains the history of a message board subculture and discusses his book, “Alt-Right: From 4Chan to the White House”

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48 thoughts on “4Chan’s and 8Chan’s Internet-Brewed Racism Informs Trump’s Rhetoric”
  1. So let me get it straight. You create an anon env without moderation or ability to raise likes and build individual reputy and you always end up with far right dominating such platform. Supposed more numerous left just cannot beat them in unrestricted env. Interesting….

  2. Kek, kek, kek
    Calls itself "The Real News Network"
    Are 100 % commies.
    Are 100 % fake.
    Are 100 % anti the country the exist in and its people.

  3. REAL NEWS…yeah…riiight.
    Now I know why there are folks who think that our POTUS is a racist, bigot, and a xenophobe.

    First of all, the whole premise to this interview is overwhelmingly misguided, and borders on being left-wing propaganda.

    You're trying to figure out why there is a "Global Freedom Movement". But, the language you are using to describe the people of this global movement is deceitful and divisive.

    Your attempt to trigger your sheep into thinking that this global, nationalist movement is born from, your terms,
    "white nationalism",
    "alt-right nationalism",
    "far-right nationalism",
    "white supremacy",
    "ultra/uber, way out there, racist, isms, out yonder somewhere, Nazi/fascistic white supremacist nationalism", isn't confusing those of us who are AWAKE, and are on to your feeble attempts to get us to believe in your erroneous, disingenuous narratives.

    You have us all wrong.
    Simply stated…we understand that this is SPIRITUAL WARFARE.
    We also understand that our basic inalienable rights and liberties are being infringed upon.

    Everyone around the world understand that these God-given rights, ARE SELF EVIDENT. That's why you see citizens in France, Germany, The United Kingdom, China, Australia, Iran, North Korea, all acting out in protest against there globalist, New World Order leaderships.

    I mean, look at you two…you're sitting there comfortably in your FREE, WESTERN countries exercising your God-given rights of FREE SPEECH, and NO ONE is denying you that right, but yet-n-still you can't see past your own Pinocchio noses to let yourselves hear, and see what Donald Trump is doing and has done to transfer power BACK to the American people and to make America FIRST [nationalist] on his agenda, so that we can continue to help the rest of the world in their times of need.

    8Chan will be back online soon, but as 8Kun.
    Q

  4. This is the very worst Steiner interview with an incoherent "analyst" from the BBC which, like the UK government, has consistently followed the Washington consensus on Syria, Venezuela, Corbyn, Russiagate, etc etc and that is your goto source on the far right and fascism. Outrageous!!!!!?!!!

  5. keep in mind /pol is the only racist forum on 4chan, 8chan is a meme creating website nothing more. Also I'd be more worried about Stormfront as a site, all /pol is is just toxic rhetoric with no concrete rational debate, just opinions that closed minded people go and discuss.

  6. So people speaking the same truths makes one bad when the other acts badly? Is that what you're saying? If i say the sky is blue and some serial killer says the sky is blue, am i in the same class as the serial killer because we both recognize the same truths?

    People post violent and extreme views on facebook, twitter, and Instagram. Do the people that use those platforms share the responsibility of the violent extremists that use THOSE platforms? Have some journalistic integrity here.

  7. These ideas are tools/services of the MSM.

    They always benefits corporate leaders/parties, who are one MSMs biggest target clients because they have the money to spend 100s of Billions on advertising, and never benefit "left" leaders/parties – who don't have the corporate cash to warrant MSMs interest.

  8. "Alt-Right" is a term used by the Liberal establishment to describe anyone who has ANY sort of ideology. Liberals see ideology as dangerous, especially if it's populist ideology. If you read former UN Secretary Samantha Power, she sees populism as one of the great evils of the world that must be eradicated. So, Liberals lump ANYONE who has any sort of strong beliefs together and calls ALL of them "Alt-Right." For a long time, I didn't understand what was so "alternative" about this surging xenophobic, white-supremacist ideology … hasn't that, more or less, always been the mantra of the Right-Wing?? I, myself, have been attacked by Liberals and called Alt-Right, even though I'm a Marxist-Leninist, and afterwards, dawned on me what, exactly, is going on. Anyone who speaks out for the proletariat and against bourgeois culture can be lumped into this group, and even though they are totally wrong, about SO many things, these so-called "alt-right" groups seem to have a distaste for the wealthy … even though the policies they support are beneficial to the wealthy. This broad opposition to any sort of ideology clearly addresses the question 'what do liberals stand for?' The answer is, they stand for nothing, business as usual. And Liberals are Right-Wing. They represent the mainstream of the Right, and they see these other groups as being somehow beyond the pale … beyond the normal Conservative, Right-Wing dictum.

  9. Imaginary white supremacists, the Democrats new boogeyman, I live in rural GA and have yet to meet one of these white supremacists…Where are they??
    Rich supremacists are our problem, always have been, and they're not all white, white people didn't own slaves, rich people did.

  10. Don't think that the Chans play as big of a role in this as Fox "News" and just the general culture of people in the US. It's so deep and so all-consuming that even the victims of it buy in. It's stunning.

    Chomsky's work on the Propaganda Model and his and other's works on how to maintain the appearance of being a "free country" through narrative and thought control instead of force. Totalitarianism in "free" societies. It's mad telling.

  11. What an ignorant asshat. Hope you go bankrupt soon. I mean spending all that money on advertisements but you have 200 likes. Please fade into oblivion soon.

  12. Wow this guy had a really hard time explaining why he thinks Trump has not been openly courting white supremacists. Denial is a thick fog that blinds you on your way to brutally clear reality!

  13. And this is why you can't take the money and keep your soul real news network. A BBC propagandist to sell more anti-freedom?

  14. You have a president using blatant dog whistles to white supremacists. Call it out for what it is and stop sugar coating it. Trump has a history of troublesome (that's putting it mildly) actions with minority groups going all the way back to one of his first buisness ventures with his father and them not renting to or severely limiting rentals to black individuals. It's well documented over decades up to his hate speech today!

  15. You forget… Tumbler is also full of hate…
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    Edit: Misspelled Tumblr. My autism is actin' up
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  16. The problem is that the President approves and instigates Nazi like actions against minorities. We have always had this problem and our problem "white supremacy" is closely related to and similar to the "Jewish Supremacy" insanity and ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Netanyahu and his thugs are the same kind of power seeking liars as our current President. Using titillation and provocation to fuel the emotions that drive the tragic transgressions of the IDF, people end up dying at the hands of those hypnotized with demagoguery and fear.

  17. This censorship is getting way out of hand. 4chan & 8chan have people on there no more disgusting than the mainstream media propagandist, including this BBC reporter which is sponsored by a foreign entity, and manufacturing consent to drive the US into all of these interventions across the world? Now wherever people go and talk about things that the government says it's wrong because it's not the official narrative, will be shut down and silenced?
    Of course, this BBC reporter wants censorship because Mainstream Propaganda media is dying fast, next will be the pseudo alternative news sites online like this one that does truth mixed with propaganda and never follows in-depth of true atrocities done by our government. Sad but this is what we get for trusting this place in the first place. We are the ones being played. Throwing out the word conspiracy theory tells you he's a propagandist. If conspiracies weren't real they wouldn't be against the law.

  18. South Africa and Nazi Germany didn't require the internet. They relied on a sophisticated radio broadcast system that kept control over the narrative along with leaders who routinely lie to the public and control others through a powerful and brutal security system. The internet does not "brew" racism; anger, lies, and plain old stupidity does.

  19. There has been multiple articles about how the police and FBI have been infiltrated by white supremacists. It's no surprise that the FBI recently said they lost all their data on white identity extremists

  20. Shooter was/is one of many 4+8chan posters who actually travel to a targeted person or place to carry out a threat. For years, FBI has known about these anonymous sites where people like the shooter are brainwashed by clever provocateurs to carry out crimes against targeted people. 4+8 chans' mere existence all these years proves government complicity.

  21. 4 and 8 chan are used by law firms, investigators for insurance companies and the like, whereby they hire on anonymous provocateurs to harass targeted persons. The provocateur will sometimes offer to pay in BITCOIN to kill a targeted person's pet or order magazines in the targeted person's name. A pic of the targeted pet and property of the target is shown w/ each post. These anonymous posters deserve to be hunted down like the animals they are and put in a prison cell where they belong.

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  23. There is a very simple fix. US and Western Nation stop meddling with Central and South American countries. Stop supporting coups, stop the sanctions, then watch the invasion at our borders end.

  24. Finance is to powerful and now it has completed its mission; collapsing society. Trump was tasked with the job and his mission is complete. The world is in transition and Finance wants to ensure they remain in charge. The US Dollar is collapsing as we speak and it will be replaced. Finance wants the Dollar to be replaced with a digital currency issued by them; more than likely through the independent Central Banks of the world that Finance controls. The Financial crisis we're in right now isn't a boom/burst asset inflation crisis; the complete structure is going to fail this time. Complex systems have emergent qualities and the psychopaths controlling Finance don't understand this because they are crazy. The blunderer and chief personifies this craziness; he's agreed to give farmers $28 million because of tariffs. This is money added to the deficit which means more money the Government has to borrow, which means a stronger Dollar which means Chinese imports are cheaper, which means the trade deficit will widen (which it has been doing since the start of the trade war) and this means US exports become more expensive putting another nail in the coffin of US manufacturing. Brexit will probably happen in October, this could possibly splinter the country into 4 separate countries, with a 10% manufacturing base and the world's manufacturing sector going into recession the country will not get any new manufacturing; more than likely they will lose their auto manufacturing base. Boris J. just like Trump is a puppet for the vulture's of Finance and for all those disillusioned "Leavers" that expect the US to save the day think again. Anyone that thinks 1 billion people on the mainland of China will let the US colony of Taiwan or the English colony of Hong Kong deter their march out of poverty is delusional. South Korea reuniting with North Korea will make that country a powerhouse and the hostilities with Japan is the excuse the Korea's need. Societies throughout history have been based upon the citizens relation with a divine; in feudal times the societies were designed around the church. In Anglo-American Empire the divine is the self; the concept of liberalism and Neo-Liberalism; The concept of white mans burden. Finance through social media has tapped into this concept of whiteness; 4Chan, 8Chan, we chat, Facebook and other platforms are allowing Finance to create it's army of fractured alienated soldiers and after collapse when the dust clears Finance's digital currency; probably Libra; will move in to help rebuild whatever dystopian nightmare they can imagine. In all the craziness everyone seems to be forgetting about our climate emergency but not for long because reality is reasserting itself.

  25. Acceptance of hate speech preceded the Holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda. Genocide cannot happen without popular support. The unopposed hate rhetoric on the internet on sites like 4chan and 8chan and media outlets like FOX News let the idea of state violence against vulnerable minority populations gain popularity.
    Right now it is just stochastic acts of terror by lone gunmen and acceptance by a large portion of the population for concentration camps, but with time and no effective counter argument against state violence, concentration camps might turn into death camps.
    Stephen Miller has admitted that his plan is to use family separations as a deterrent to immigration. Mass murder is an even better deterrent to people that think like Miller.

  26. If these white supremacist are so worried about interracial relationships then why do so many of them have yellow fever?

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