From the moment Russian troops invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, people in the West have been glued to their TV, computer, and phone screens, furiously consuming news about the war and posting their reactions online. As the war in Ukraine enters its second month, it’s become clearer than ever that our corporate and social media ecosystem has not given us the tools to critically navigate the incessant militaristic propaganda, nor has it provided many pathways for people to do anything besides watch and post. In this special panel, which was recorded in the TRNN studio on Wednesday, March 16, we have an open discussion about how Western media has failed to prepare us to respond productively to war, how independent media can and must be used to better inform and activate audiences, and how we at The Real News are succeeding or failing to fulfill that mission in our coverage of the war in Ukraine.

Panelists include: TRNN Editor-in-Chief Maximillian Alvarez; Marc Steiner, host of The Marc Steiner Show; TRNN Managing Editor Jocelyn Dombroski; and Bill Fletcher Jr., renowned author, activist, and cohost of “The Rise of the Right,” a special investigative series of The Marc Steiner Show premiering now at The Real News.

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35 thoughts on “How the media turns war into a spectator sport”
  1. Quite a questionable crew you got there & I don't see you answering anybody here? Steiner? Who is he? Really? Fletcher? He doesn't look top English? And the ski? Where is she from? People are not who they say they are these days and we are going there.

  2. Re. putting context on stories and different perspectives, I suggest discussions on 9/11, Viet Nam, WW2, the murders of JFK, MLK.

  3. Know your history eh? So why leave out the fact that those nukes in ukraine were soviet nukes controlled by moscow the whole time. What was ukraine going to do with nukes they have no control over?
    Next time finish reading the history not just the cliff notes.

  4. How many young people are going to die till the blood thirsty Elite have enough blood spilled
    COVID-19 killed enough elderly people but War will kill more
    Young people then Covid
    Stop the madness end this war
    Nothing good is going to come of it. Time for some good trouble now
    Be the change or be enslaved by big corporate

  5. Thank you guys! I finally hear some deeper thoughts about this war than "Nazis" and "excuses" for Putin in regards to the NATO expansion. These talking points are exploited so often that they become some sort of "manufacturing consent" on the US left what drives me crazy. Some US leftists hate US imperialism so much that they can't imagine that Russia and also China are playing on the same field to achieve the same goals. One well known online left figure said "Putin is a centrist" to counter the statement "Putin is worse than Hitler". Both is ridicules wrong. I'm a socialist from Germany, growing up in the East of Germany (GdR), and I know Russian propaganda and its history. That Putin turned fascist is a fact and that Russia like the Ukraine has problems with Neonazis, with different meanings, is also a fact. Putin was bringing the dead right-wing/fascist writer Ilyin back to Russia and gave out a book,written by Ilyin, to all high rank political figures in Russia. That's Putins philosophy and dream of a Russia supported by orthodox "values".

  6. This is too about new fascist jewish zelinsky and his once neo fascist nazi army, marines, etc…. there more to the Ukraine neo nazi nuclear waepons…there is no self determination only national God created given concercrated covenant sovereignty.. that is a human right for every governmental system of international treaties…

  7. What? What pro Russian propaganda? You mean the fact that most of the the non white world is seeing 2 related white countries going at each other while their country has had good relationship and trade with Russia? Maybe that's why they have a different opinion. Here in the US, it's all anti Putin because they hate Trump. 1984 is here in the US. And for him to say that Africans supported the Spaniards even though they still had colonies in Africa is disgusting. Racism is a good enough reason today for people not to lose sleep over this. My friend, who is African American, lived in a building with Ukrainians, Russians, & Poles. They wouldn't get in an elevator with her & would shoo her away whenever they would see her.

  8. Wow.. the level or rather the lack of information and knowledge in case of one of your guests, Mr. Fletcher JR. was terrifying. Not only the lack of general history of the region but also the lack of daily information about what actually happened in Ukraine in and since 2014. I wonder how could anyone ignore the fact about NATO's existence and activities in Ukraine with their soldiers, military bases, weapons and equipments, and all the military activities there. Who is not informed that UK/US and Canada's special forces (and many other NATO countries) have been there training Ukrainian army but also the neo-nazi Azov Battalion since the 2014 coup? I bet he probably even denies the US/Canada-backed coup in 2014. There are still numerous educational material and good documentsries like Ukraine on Fire, or Einsatzgruppen available on platforms like youtube or Netflix and others that one could attain and educate themselves. Look for Prof. John Mearsheimer, Stephen F. Cohen among others.

  9. Soviet Union had nuclear weapons. Soviet Union placed them in various strategic locations around the country. Soviet Union developed and build those weapons. Russia legally became an heir to the Soviet Union. All those weapons were always controlled from Moscow, not Kiev. Ukraine, as an independent country never had nuclear weapons or means to maintain them, so it had nothing to give up, but to transfer back to Russia, a SU heir. Also, right wing and nazis don't just exist in Ukraine, they became a part of every governmental institution. They are minority in Ukraine, but they have a very strong influence on the government. Ukraine is the only country in the world that has active nazi element as part of its military force. Just like nazis had in 1930's Germany. United States took advantage of this influence, actively encouraging it till this days.

  10. i came over to TRNN to gain a more informed outlook on the situation and was pleased to find that this channel is telling more parts of the story that MSM isn't saying. I understand that MSM is also more focused on getting the first views, clicks, and attention because theyre focused on profit more than truth-telling. These channels are not "news". When I think of "news" I think of facts not opinion. I dont seek out news to learn how to become an activist or a protester.. i want to understand as many facets of the situation as possible.
    TRNN is doing a great job puting forth the effort you have. Marc's guests Lia Tarachansky and Chris Hedges were both unique and excellent episodes.

  11. The war in Ukraine is US and NATO's fault.. If they haven't pushed Russia against a corner and signed the Minsk agreement that was done, and if US gave a written promise that NATO want expand more east. THIS WOULDNT HAPPEN,… So I blame US and NATO… Just watch Patrick Lancaster YouTube Channel and you will se who Russians are fighting for real on the ground..

    It is US fault and forces EU to close the Nordstream 2 pipeline, this will cause suffer in whole Europe with skyrocket energy prices or no energy at all.. Why close Nordstream 2, !?!? Because US want to have the whole Europe for themselves at puppet states and make money on oil and gas,, US didn't want Russia to sell cheaper and better gas to Europe.. US are ready to sacrifice the whole Europe for Ukraine .. Putin and Russia are NOT trying to take over Ukraine , that is a complete lie, they are not interested in any other country either..

  12. Nazi Germany was useful to USA to fight communist Russia. It was hoped that Germany would defeat Russia. The US decided to still leave Nazis in the field after WW2 to combat Communism. NATO was formed for the same reason and also had Nazis in its ranks. Adolf Heusinger, who was planning operations during the German invasion of Russia eventually became head of operations in NATO. There is a history of Nazi ideology in NATO so there's nothing strange about it's close association with groups like Azov.

  13. I'm glad to hear you admit your political "mission", what is that exactly?
    It is because you are political that we are facing wartimes, our best opportunity to free ourselves of the machine and business as usual was Trump, but because you are blindly political you helped to sink all of our chances and our children. Now what do you have left over? that same system of aggressive imperialism you now rail against, which is more powerful than ever and willing to take real basic freedoms and civil liberties away.

  14. Why doesn't your channel ever mention central banks? They're the puppeteers that control all "sovereign" nations, and you leave your audience in the dark about them.

  15. Evweryone be aware that the media is more controlled than a marionette doll.

    Nothing we see, hear, read is real, but an orchestration to get emotional reactions that favor the actions of government/military… even when those action include assassinating leaders of other nations and stealing those nations natural resources.

    From its onset, the US has been the provacateur of this supposed attack. It was the US claiming the Russians were lining up tanks/arsenal/equipment along Ukraine's border and are going to attack. Both Putin and Zelensky exclaimed there was no military buiild up and no plans of attack. Zelensky even invited Biden to Ukraine to see for himself there was no military buildup or attack. Despite all, US media continued its propaganda, with the government assisting in the rhetoric/choreographing the storyline of an imminent attack.

    Now we seen the obviously STAGED events with Zelensky whose an actor, jew, political Rothschild puppet, Liar, etc… He has aligned himself with the so called western nations in the propaganda game, which will allow central banks, big business, NATO etc to get rooted in Ukraine… just as was done in Afghanistan.

    Now I am hearing people complain about Putin, but truth is Putin is keeping the Central banks, NATO, US Big Business etc from getting its claws into Ukraine and bringing weaponry in to aim at Russia.

    How these people condemn Putin, but say NOTHING in regard to the US attacking Iraq, Iran, Oman, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Syria, Lebanon etc with all of these attacks/invasions into these INNOCENT forementioned nations in the last few years…. So if Putin is "wrong" for supposedly attacking/claiming Ukraine is wrong and he is a DASTARDLY DICTATOR/EVIL etc for doing so, then what does that make the US and all of its presidents of the past ten years that have done the same and more?????

    The so called media in the US is just the propaganda arm of the US government… SO I NEVER TRUST ANY OF IT… and the Independent Media is often clueless to what is really going on, because the main stream media never reports/allows what is really happening to be known.

    By the way, this constantly slinging this NAZI term around is juvenile. The word NAZI comes from the people known as AshkeNAZI or better known as jews…. hence the US government brining them to teh US after WWII. Germany/Hitler got them out of Germany due to the problems they were constantly causing and so has all European nation over the centuries. They brought APARTHEID into Africa, CASTE SYSTEM into India, INQUISITION into Europe, CORRUPTION into the US/Canada and all manner of trouble into any nation/continent they have gone to. So I for one am absolutely all for Putin getting these NAZIS out and keeping them out. We see how they have infiltrated the US government and done nothing but kept the US in constant war, bankruptcy, debt, poverty, derision and contemptuousness toward the rest of the world…

  16. By the way, this is one of the reasons why the US has 24 hours a day, 7 days a week worth of sports on numerous TV channels. Pro sports in America is a major part of the propaganda system. It is not only to keep people totally dumbed down and distracted, but also, to instill a fanatical jingoist mentality of "Us vs Them"! This is now how we see the world, so when there is a conflict it becomes "our team is going to beat your team". It is mass formation psychology.

  17. Should let Russia have what they want….it's not that unreasonable….and it's not worth killing everyone on the planet over. Funny, many see the faults of totalitarianism, but not so many see the very real short comings of democracy, i.e. mob rule. This whole mess shows that even if we survive this time, in all likelihood the "mob" will get its way over Taiwan. Humanity simply can't survive such stunning levels of stupidity…..not with 500 nuclear power plants and thousands of nuclear weapons.

  18. We're so quick to say Ukraine should not be supported because of azov, but we forget that the previous US president was buddies with the ACTUAL kkk.

  19. I think stuff like this is cool. Trying to show the direction that they want to go and what they want to accomplish, and also admitting that they are not perfect but willing to admit that there is a lot of things to this whole Ukraine thing. that things are not as simple as they seem, but killing other humans is ALWAYS WRONG. Along with INVADING A SOVEREIGN NATION!

  20. It’s a very disturbing situation no doubt. We remaining free citizens of Planet Earth need all the help we can muster to respond appropriately to all this. Those of us who have long been divorced from MSM collect the seemingly sane information – of which there’s precious little. There is quite an alternative consensus however that doesn’t mince words or thoughts as to the true nature of the Ukrainian leadership, Geopolitical realities and the reality of the Biden family & international corporations in this. The Ukraine situation is a real black hole of a gestalt containing the truth of our situation with the WEF, Covid, our pharmaceutical corporations and yes, the role of self determination in the future (if there is one).

  21. War is the symptom of our sickness, and the prognosis of our disease.
    Remember, wars are for profit, as the Rothchild banking industrial complex nets billions, and wars are politics with blood, and politics are war without blood.
    Twenty five thousand wars over 6000 years amounting to only less than 400 years of peace.

  22. I've been saying this to friends and family fir months. They're playing this war out in MSM like is a sporting event. The manufactured consent and pro war propaganda is real.

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