As is the case with any war, the war in Ukraine is being fought on many fronts: in the streets, in the financial realm, and in the media. The battle over information about the war itself, how it started, and who is most at fault (and what their motivations are) is a critical factor shaping how governments and citizens around the world respond to the unfolding conflict. In this panel, TRNN contributor Radhika Desai speaks with Benjamin Norton and Daniel Haiphong about Western media’s coverage of the war, corporate media’s complicity in fomenting conflict and feeding the military-industrial complex, and about what critical media literacy tools people can develop to better navigate the fog of war.
Benjamin Norton is a journalist, writer, and filmmaker based in Latin America. He is the founder and editor of Multipolarista and was formerly a producer and reporter for TRNN. Daniel Haiphong is a journalist, writer, political analyst, and host of The Left Lens. He is a weekly contributor to The Black Agenda Report and his work has been featured in a range of outlets, including MintPress, CounterPunch, and Friends of Socialist China. He is also the co-author of American Exceptionalism and American Innocence: A People’s History of Fake News—From the Revolutionary War to the War on Terror.
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We tell them we want more, and they get it for us. Next time, stand in front of a mirror to point your finger at "them."
Thank you all for an excellent, honest analysis of this war, something never found in the MSM which is an utter disgrace although, very sadly, par for the course. Your insight and understanding are also to be applauded. It is wonderful to hear the truth for a change. An excellent discussion and I just wish millions were listening.
Nazis have always done the bidding of "the West."
The biggest example of naiveness Is the actual EU situation:
Germany had a joint venture with Russia on NS2, then US tells Germany they can’t see beyond their nose in terms of doing business therefore the US will help Germany by sanctioning their investment, while telling them Putin is terrible & will use gas in the same way the US uses the financial system (as a political tool)! Germany can accept Russian gas if it comes through Ukraine NS1 , but can’t accept it if it comes from NS2? Today they’re all broke yet continue to think Putin is terrible?
The abuse of sanctions will accelerate the decline of the dollar & no one will see it coming until they we see the floor closing!
You’ll be tagged as “Sensitive Informationâ€, therefore I uploaded the 3 little piggies and O McDonald’s had a farm which ended also being tagged as “Sensitive Informationâ€! This clearly means we’re being profiled!
When I gave my thanks, I didn't read the other comments. Amazing, great people following your channel.
Truthful reporting is so very hard to find in the age of corporate media propaganda. Thank you all for being responsible journalist.
I hope they don't sanction "libgen."
I van add this to my library of CREDIBLE, TRUTHFUL, HONEST & INTELLIGENT news sources 🤔👌ðŸ¿
* Prof. John Mearsheimer
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* Ret. Marine I telligence officer Scott Ritter
* Stephen Cohen
* Ret. Col. Douglas McGregor
* Blackstone Intelligence
* The Greyzone
You are brilliant my sister, absolutely brilliant…..
Very smart conversation
Bravo well done though it feels s little unusual to be submerged in real "FACTS"……….TKS!
This has been the most intelligent discussion I've heard in years
Western citizens will awaken with the coming economic disaster, it will make the Great Depression look like a picnic.
MSM is owned by the same entity that owns the Political Parties and by the way congress members own over five billion of stock in military armament companies. The entity I speak of is Globalist Banks and Corporations that have slowly over the seven to eight decades taken full control over western countries. Ukraine is a last gasp desperate act to keep control their mission of total dominance of the world
Western media outlets have been trying to push this narrative that Ukraine holds the same values that are supposed to be upheld by the West but the ironic truth is that they have more in common with Russia than any western democracy.
These are both two highly nationalistic, racist, anti-LGBTQ countries that do not believe in the same values that underpin most western democracies.
If you take it that the US started the proxy war in Ukraine in 2014, then Russia has under international law the right to self-defense. If you take it that the US making Ukraine a US staging ground to subvert, destabilize and fragment Russia, then Russia has under international law the right to pre-emptive self-defense.
Also, is NATO's eastward expansion an aggression against Russia? It certainly is. Otherwise, why the need for the US to promise Russia that NATO would not advance one inch east of a united Germany? In this case, Russia has the right to self-defense or pre-emptive self-defense.
The war in Ukraine today is undoubtedly a war between Russia and the US. Ukraine is just the battleground, and Ukrainians are just cannon fodder for the US.
Do not ask me whether I stand with Russia or Ukraine. That would be asking the wrong question. That question leaves out the devil at the root of the problem — the US. My response is I stand with the people of Russia and Ukraine against the US.
That was an absolute breath of fresh air. Please continue the work of shedding light in a time of mainstream darkness… ✊ðŸ¿
There are more people of Russian heritage in the US than Ukrainian and the narrative is extremely offensive. Try to explain to a young Russian kid just what the news means when it says they are not like us. The US media is shameless
It's improper-ganda. Like we ain't covered in shit for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, all of South America, most of Africa. Where haven't we troubled the waters?
The most intelligent discussion so far, of all I have seen. And they are many…
Don't forget that the US government has hired over 150 PR firms to manufacture consent among the media. Didn't Zelensky run on a "peace ticket" and then delivered "war?"
People, including here in Sweden, where I am, are totally brainwashed by the media, which when you listen to those who present news and discuss world political issues, sound credible. But you do not have to listen for so long until you realize that if you were to mention the neo-Nazis in Ukraine, it is because you should know that it is a small problem, which has nothing to do with reality. Putin is a Hitler, and then there is nothing to discuss. A more nuanced discussion of what the actual reality looks like cannot be done. In cases where you try to have a more nuanced discussion with friends and acquaintances, you understand that it is not possible, because either people start shouting, or simply refuse to listen.
The discussion you are having here is the best I have listened to so far. It is the most neutral.
The situation, that, if the West (NATO) did not respect the non-formal agreement that '(NATO) would not expand one inch east of the Oder, could lead to the war that is currently taking place, was pointed out by Stephen Cohen, more than five years ago. Unfortunately, he died in September 2020, so he never got to experience that his wise words to keep Ukraine neutral were not listened to, which probably would have made him very discouraged.
There are, of course, many other wise people, such as Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, etc., but everyone I have heard (except for John Mearsheimer) suggests that 'it' is Russia's fault, even though they acknowledge that Russia has had reason to feel threatened, partly through the wars with Napoleon and partly with Nazi Germany. And everyone I have listened to, who acknowledges that the agreement between Baker and European countries with the former Soviet union has really taken place, literally ignores the fact that since the dissolution of the USSR, NATO has expanded into not less than 14 countries east of the Oder. Where is the consistent thinking? And, as you say, where is the criticism of Kolomoisky, who armed the neo-Nazis, made an actor who played the president to become the president, and even paid him huge sums of money as he also paid Hunter Biden for his part in Burisma Holding etc.
There is so much in disguise that the Western propaganda machine consistently refuses to take up to a sensible analysis and it is also one of the most important factors in the fact that there is now a war going on in Ukraine.
I thank you for your analysis! Very interesting! ðŸ™
Yeah NATO and America have expanded NATO literally to Russia door step and are attempting to incorporate Ukraine into a bull work containment belt against Russia. But Russia invasion of Ukraine is still illegal under international law and Putin is not a saint either but neither are is the political leadership and the elites in the West. And the ethnic Russians who were put on Ukraine boarder region by Stalin live in the Dumbass region and not Ukraine entire seaboard coast which Russia is occupying and launching military operations.
Yeah there are a lot of Neo Nazis in Ukraine but all Ukrainian fighting Russia are not Neo Nazis and Putin has in the past funded far right anti immigrant groups and fascist across Western Europe and has connections to far right anti EU politicians like Marie Le Pen just as America and its elite funded p*ssy riot and Alexei Navalny and are now arming the fascist racist militias such as Azov battalion and Right Sector which fight in the Ukrainian army. Russia Today after 2011 became very racist and hateful of none European Whites and would demonize Black victims of police and vigilante murder in the United States and were in lock step with the Western Media calling all Black or none Black protester protesting for racial justice Black Lives Matters and or accusing all Black Lives Matters protesters of being rioters and criminals.
Russia today would promote fake stories of Muslim refuges running the street sexually assaulting white European women which turned out to be false. I am sorry the Russian Federation has some nerve talking about is opposes racism and fascism in Ukraine when RT did nothing but promote hate/racism after 2011 just like the American/Western media did and still does. The only difference between RT and Western media before Russia invaded Ukraine and they got kicked off Youtube was its views on Syria and Eastern Europe and China activities in the South China sea.
And finally yeah the Western media bombards propaganda and miss information and floods weaponry into Ukraine after provoking Russia and thus takes partial blame but so does Russia. I don't agree with the Real News network attacking the West and Ukraine while ignoring Russia role in all of this and Russia has a long history of oppressing and subjugating the Ukrainians and has Russofide their identity.
Excellent analysis. The introduction alone is worth the price of admission.
Full story? Who was it that invited and hosted a conference of european nazis and far right parties in st. Petersburg in 2015? Zelensky or Putin? Heres a hint, it wasnt zelensky, maybe putin should invade Russia if he wants to denazify a country. Stalins Soviet Union was the one that joined Hitler and the nazis, in a military alliance and invaded poland, with him. If you want to give us "The full story"
great conversation
Excellent discussion with three intelligent and highly credible people
This IS THE REAL NEWS
Most MSM journalists should be targeted by
Most Western MS Politicians along with Most MS military and Para Paramilitary should be targeted.
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Great reporting.
Marine drops Truth Bomb about American War Crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwYkzcG0RA
iraq war: us soldier throws his medals and stars!!! and quits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hp8HMstkE
Anonymous News – US – Soldier tells the Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=048RpM66Tgc
Soldiers talk about what they saw and did in Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5Lu94l_E0
Iraq War Veteran Tells The Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOqPBC3ZMn8
Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Wesley Clark
General Wesley Clark speaks to Democracy Now! (March 2, 2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOtbNC4oJ54
Wes Clark – America's Foreign Policy "Coup"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8
General Wesley Clark says wars were planned – 7 Countries In 5 Years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrJRHwbVG8
Mike Pompeo About CIA : We lied, We cheated, We stole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RmEsPE7iq0
Secretary Pompeo Participates in Q&A Discussion at Texas A&M University
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6wbfjspVww&t=1750
Timeline: 29:10
Mike Pompeo: "I was the C.I.A. director. We lied. We cheated. We stole."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUAe35IunXc
There was a restaurant in ukr, the waitresses were wearing ww2 nazi uniform. And menu had something like "blood of Russians" ( bloody marry) and "barbecue from Russian newborns". And there are lots of photos of happy people visiting it.
This info is just for people who thinks Russian are brainwashed about ukr situation.
What would you think if something like that place would be in your neighbor county?
It’s interesting that none of these participants are willing to discuss the heavy Russian bombardment on the Ukrainian cities. So many structures and infrastructures have been destroyed beyond repair.
And while you’re at it, tell us more about the mass graves, so that we know who are the real Nazis in this conflict!
That report that the EU is organizing censorship and message control around the globe is basically a call to arms and awareness and one of the biggest reasons people need to organize and inform and educate and take their dumb dumb head out of the mainstream and social media and put it into something else IMO. It's similar to the FDA secretly planning how to deregulate food safety and allowing any level of toxins in the food. It is guaranteed to happen if the people don't stop it from happening.
The "Russian disinformation": is simply a BS reason similar to "human rights". It is total BS and cannot be trusted and should not be trusted and people need to figure out that they need to put down monopoly media and social media and learn about what it is in terms of politics and class warfare and population control and labor manipulation and consumer management debt servitude, exploitation, bait and switch, brainwashing, values training and obedience training etc.
Someone should demand that the EU disclose all the putrid lies and BS that they are pretending are "official western approved news". Just think, the idea of the EU curating approved information on other continents. How sick are they? How pestilent are they? How did we get here?
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The Western MSM coverage of this war is the worst I have ever seen, in my lifetime.
It's a non-stop barage of lies, disinformation, and misleading narratives.
Warning: I am afraid most people will stop listening after the introductions, mentioning "China". Because China is evil and people that have something to do with it do not have to be listened to. It's the messenger that counts, not the facts or arguments. That's the new quality of debate.
These 2 young men give me some hope for the future of competent, trustworthy journalism. They, & others like them need to be heard & supported.
Peace be unto you…
These Independent Investigative Journalists partially represent my views about the Ukraine-Russia situation…
New informative videos and articles added about this Russia-Ukraine Conflict…
The agenda was never to capture Kiev, but to spread out Ukrainian forces while the agenda to take the south and eastern parts of Ukraine was made easier to achieve, which we already have seen as the success of that original agenda…
Western nations are providing a type of Propagandistic Rhetoric inciting people in the world to support Foreign Policy agendas for an international trade war and blocking media that provides any information that negates their propaganda, although the other side is showing a factual, Investigative Journalism…
Putting fear into the people with food and oil/natural gas scarcity and increase of prices and stock market influences and inflated prices in everything that is connected with this incident like gold, oil, natural gas, grains, fertilizer ingredients, uranium etc…
Another nuclear arms race and international weaponry trading has become more transparent…
I do understand that the Russian Government is also an Authoritarian type of dictatorship that has Imperialist interests, yet, the American Imperialist Capitalism Regime is stronger than ever and the Authoritarian Totalitarianism is more evident…
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Quite fascinating historical information…
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By Smithsonian Magazine
"The 20th-Century History Behind Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine"
https://youtu.be/jnk41BXuXF0Â
By Quotes
"Sun Tzu's Quotes which are better to be known when young to not Regret in Old Age"
https://youtu.be/2c4-0w_wFUU
Foreign Policy Hawk
"Assad Choke Slams The 'West' Over Ukraine & Exposes Volodymyr Zelenskyy As A ZiOnist!"Â
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/25/bbc-fixer-war-ukrainian-nationalist-pr-operative/Â
By The Grayzone
"BBC correspondent-fixer shaping Ukraine war coverage is PR operative involved in “war-messaging tool†"
https://youtu.be/YqSmXDxAwkM
By Ron Liberty Report
"Weekly Update — CIA Admits Feeding Americans False Info About Ukraine"
https://youtu.be/j9YewFqws2M
By The Real News Network
"How the war in Ukraine is being fought in the media"
https://youtu.be/cuR7Q7JFUNg
By The New Atlas
"Russian OPs in Ukraine; Mariupol, US Artillery Shipments, & Kiev"
https://youtu.be/m3fUTIzWIjoÂ
By ShanghaiEye
"Sanctions never solve problems, only to make ordinary people suffer and trigger global crisis"
https://youtu.be/UnHyzqrthkQ
By Democracy Now!
"Prices Soar as Profiteers & Speculators Drive Inflation; It Hurts the Developing World"
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/billionaire-supermarket-owner-warns-food-prices-will-continue-to-rise-for-next-few-months.ampÂ
By Fox Business
"Billionaire supermarket owner warns food prices will 'continue to rise' for next few months"
https://www.reuters.com/business/strong-asian-rice-demand-animal-feed-sparks-food-supply-worries-2022-03-16/Â
By Reuters
"Analysis: Strong Asian rice demand for animal feed sparks food supply worries"
https://youtu.be/X8oGcWt1WwcÂ
By Ron Liberty Report
"Surprise! Biden Says Sanctions Will Cause Food Shortages"
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-oligarch-warns-world-faces-food-crisis-ukraine-invasion-2022-3Â
By Business Insider
"Russia's largest fertilizer and coal companies warns the world faces food crisis without an end to the conflict in Ukraine"
https://youtu.be/cHQTZMPtpSoÂ
By Israeli News Live
"How Ukranian Military Treats its Own"
https://youtu.be/_yGi_6NAf6s
By TeleSUR English
"Russian population in Donbass has suffered discrimination and violence for more than 8 years"
https://youtu.be/CtIyiwzcmWgÂ
Smile 2 Jannah
"THEY'RE NOT EVEN HIDING IT NOW"
https://youtu.be/SPvy7fGZbV8
By The New Atlas
"Ukraine Missile Strike: Serial Numbers and Six Wheelers"
https://youtu.be/fjfxW6ZihJc
By TeleSUR English
"Zelensky sparks worldwide controversy by giving the floor to a neo-nazi"
https://youtu.be/eTTX42O0ZHg
By The New Atlas
"How Kiev Suppresses Pro-Russian Ukrainians & How the Western Media Covers it Up"
https://youtu.be/eKcaYUsOzWwÂ
By Multipolarista
"Western media glorifies Ukranian Nazi sniper for killing Russian speakers"
https://youtu.be/0txqZUjAp3sÂ
The Real News Network
"Israel is Arming Ukraine's Blatantly Neo-Nazi Militia the Azov Battalion"
https://youtu.be/x5Uf7aooxvEÂ
By The Real News Network
"Max Blumenthal: US is Arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine"
https://youtu.be/0aCf6pmdY7E
By The New Atlas
"UK Newspaper Hides Ukraine Truth in Plain Sight"
https://youtu.be/qfa8g4S7CvgÂ
By Smile 2 Jannah
"YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG"
https://youtu.be/qRIWDqleKso
By Ron Liberty Report
"Through The Fog Of War, With Guest Scott Ritter"
https://youtu.be/DO9NDZDJlagÂ
By The New Atlas
"Inflection EP29: NATO Aggression Puts All of Europe at Risk"
https://youtu.be/dSVcWUVfLCI
By The New Atlas
"Could NATO-Supplied Arms Change Ukraine's Fate?"
https://youtu.be/zkYgXQo2aQsÂ
By The Grayzone
"US war lobby fuels conflict in Russia, Ukraine, and Syria: ex-Pentagon advisor"
https://youtu.be/ZG0IeTnkGNUÂ
By ShanghaiEye
"The 23rd anniversary of NATO bombings: China and Serbia will never forget"
https://youtu.be/gH19PIVNO1EÂ
By 2nacheki
"Mugabe Scary UN Speech Warning the World About NATO"
https://youtu.be/050vrAeSnCUÂ
By Sky News
"Ukraine War: NATO steps up support for Ukraine on land, sea, and air"
https://youtu.be/HsV0EJ5VdbwÂ
By The New Atlas
"Inflection EP28: Kazakhstan Crisis Made in USA"
https://youtu.be/GMtOme-J3D4Â
The New Atlas
"Washington's Role in Kazakhstan's Chaos"
https://youtu.be/rDVd0SZUigAÂ
By Multipolarista
"Failed Kazakhstan color revolution targets Russia ally at heart of China's New Silk Road"
https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Russias-Invasion-Is-Crushing-Chinas-Belt-And-Road-Ambitions.htmlÂ
By OILPRICE
"Russia’s Invasion Is Crushing China’s Belt And Road Ambitions"
https://youtu.be/pvy9usF7ohEÂ
By The B1M
"Why Russia is Building an Arctic Silk Road"
https://youtu.be/qHgkRCDcNHwÂ
By The New Atlas
"Washington's Ukraine Lies Pave Way for Aggression Against Russia"
https://youtu.be/yNyQQDNfkk0Â
By The New Atlas
"SHORT: Russia Ends Another of Ukraine's War Crimes – Fresh Water Again Flows to Crimea"
https://youtu.be/pRV4r0yUU34
By TeleSUR English
"Donbas residents receive humanitarian aid from Russian forces"
https://youtu.be/4g0-eW5fT2U
By ShanghaiEye
"Russia tells Ukrainian forces and foreign fighters to surrender Azovstal plant in Mariupol by noon"
https://youtu.be/go2dUe1PkSM
By TeleSUR English
"Mariupol citizens are organizing themselves to an their lives and repair damage to their homes"
https://youtu.be/ID-Mu456dBAÂ
By TeleSUR English
" "Western media will not report on humanitarian aid provided by Russia" "
https://youtu.be/l2-gIxke3qQÂ
By TeleSUR English
"Russia announces new humanitarian corridor"
https://youtu.be/QJbSJqZoTIgÂ
By The New Atlas
"SHORT: Russian Operations Begin in Ukraine – What led to this Moment?"
https://youtu.be/T8F_Mfs4Sv4Â
By Ron Liberty Report
"Biden: We're In 'Long Fight' With Russia Over Ukraine. Who Benefits From Escalation?"
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184Â
By The Conversation
"Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?"
https://youtu.be/sjNqtxo8GkkÂ
By DW News
"How the Ukraine invasion drives military spending worldwide | DW News"
https://youtu.be/yibCkt58T-kÂ
By Multipolarista
"Weapons corporation hopes to profit from US wars in Russia, China, Yemen"
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/31/treaty-banning-cluster-munitions-turns-10-without-us#Â
By Human Rights Watch
"Treaty Banning Cluster Munitions Turns 10, but Without the US"
"Human Rights Watch also investigated the use of cluster munition rockets by the government of Ukraine, which inherited stocks from the breakup of the Soviet Union, and by Russia-backed separatists in the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk provinces.Â
We issued reports showing that the Saudi Arabia-led coalition in Yemen used Brazilian, British, and U.S.-made cluster munitions in its attacks against Houthi forces."
https://youtu.be/pYmNy9UzXq0Â
By The New Atlas
"Russian Operations in Ukraine: Week 5 Update"
https://youtu.be/d7-TV7E4ztgÂ
By The New Atlas
"What's Behind the US Conflict with Russia? (& also China)"
https://youtu.be/KqV7GWRiJEsÂ
By The New Atlas
"Russia isn't Starting a War in Ukraine, it is Ending One"
https://youtu.be/HqlUns7KfwYÂ
The New Atlas
"Russia is Fighting a War of Self-Preservation"
https://youtu.be/6e1qGOqQ2YEÂ
By Democracy Now!
"Nonwhite Refugees Fleeing Ukraine War Held in Detention Centers in Poland, Estonia, Austria"
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-very-effective-starlink-ukrainians-online-russian-invasionÂ
By Fox Business News
"Elon Musk's 'very effective' Starlink keeping Ukrainians online during Russian invasion"
https://youtu.be/7hGmc4UGfWsÂ
The New Atlas
"Debunking the New York Times' Lazy Ukraine "Satellite Investigation" "
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By Tom
With Peace and Divine Loving ConsciousnessÂ
Sakinah
We have reached a new level of proaganda.
Thank you. Good response to a mountain of lies from MSM. It occurs to me that if there’s any hope for humanity in general, it will come from Russia and China, not the U.S. As an American, this is deeply saddening.
this is some of the weird shit Danny posts.
Danny Haiphong
@SpiritofHo
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The US drops 46 bombs PER DAY on nations abroad.
China? Zero. None. Not a one.
This alone demonstrates that the US is the real threat to humanity.
As always; the truth is the 1st to die.
Thank you for the straight talk. We are us and we're ugly (throughout the world).
I need a time to agonize. I'm too old to organize!
Thanks for this. The US supports Ukraine until the last dead Ukrainian or the Country disintegrates, which ever comes first.