In this urgent, exclusive interview for Rattling the Bars, Mansa Musa speaks with Carla J. Simmons from inside the Georgia prison system, as well as Page Dukes of the Southern Center for Human Rights. Simmons, who has been incarcerated since 2004, recently published an article in Scalawag magazine on the irreparable psychological damage our inhumane system of mass incarceration inflicts on incarcerated people, prison staff, and the communities returning citizens re-enter upon their release. “There needs to be accountability for the psychological damage caused by incarceration as more and more members of society experience it, for longer periods of time,” Simmons writes. “If society upholds the pretense that jails and prisons act as a rehabilitative service, we must consider what condition these people will be in when they re-enter society.”

Read Carla Simmon’s article for Scalawag, “Sentenced to Trauma: Inside the volatility and disorder of prison”: https://scalawagmagazine.org/2022/11/incarceration-trauma/

You can find Carla’s artwork at the Justice Art Coalition: https://thejusticeartscoalition.org/portfolio/carla-joan-simmons/

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33 thoughts on “Interview from prison: What an inhumane carceral system does to human psyches”
  1. It is mainly a form of free slave labor as the majority are drug offenders as the government has determined people do not even have the right to their own body.

  2. Spot on she has a clear mind and attitude when describing how difficult it can be to transition from prison to freedom that’s made tougher when you are institutionalized and the dealing with how much the world has changed

  3. I mean don't commit crimes, idk what to tell you, and yes I understand that there is a tiny percentage of innocent people, and people with resources can pay their way out of jail, but they are a tiny minority, the majority of people there, you done fck up, deal with it.

  4. An absolutely amazing interview, appreciate it. Keep talking, writing, and researching about your experience with this corupt inhumane system. You have a talent to articulate and express your thoughts and feelings and you ought to write a book as society needs to hear what you have to say!!! I recommend Gabor Mate recently published book the Myth of Normal – Trauma, Illness, & Healing in a Toxic culture.

  5. The American prison system is the biggest crime in America today. It is the most cruel and unusual form of punishment possible and therefore goes against the American Constitution. But Americans have never cared about the Constitution despite all they say. The hypocrisy of American society makes America a surreal and dysfunctional nightmare. It is a hateful society that relishes in inflicting pain and torture on people. Despite protesting it's a Christian nation, the indifference to people's suffering in America is extraordinary. American prisons are just torture centres and a living hell created to inflict the maximum suffering.

  6. I have a cousin who spent time in prison. I can tell that he can't think of actually achieving anything higher than skirting around the bottom of survival. He's smart, creative and could do so much more. I wish I could help him more, but he only thinks small and stops himself.

  7. Don't commit crime and you won't go to jail easy lol. I grew up around crime and criminals drugs and dealers, many people I know engaged in that's stuff and went to jail, I didn't engage and i didn't go to jail. Simple.

  8. Under oligarchy, the most evil answer is correct. Prisons aren't designed to rehabilitate, they are designed to destroy, and for offenders to re-offend. The entire judicial penal system exists to wage the class war against the poor and minorities. Think bout about it, it costs $70,000 to lock someone up for a year. You are being fleeced out of taxpayer dollars to send people to a place where violence, rape, and murder are the norm. Self actualized people don't commit crimes, the goal is to keep the poor from ever becoming self actualized.

  9. Always good discussion on this program, and today, especially so. Thank you Mansa Musa, Carla Simmons, Page Dukes, and TRNN! ❤❤❤

  10. To obtain financial freedom, one must either be a business owner, an investor or both, generating passive income, particularly on a weekly and monthly basis .that's the key to living a financially stable life. This trick has never failed.I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life and put this basis to work and practice

  11. i went twice learned alot came out a better outlaw and higher understanding of how the Geo political outlaw structures really work … jail was fuck all to me just my honest opinion truth ..stay strong bless you all …take out of this corrupt system that which you need for yourself and your family …they do at the very tip top of the pyramid structure here on earth …the sooner you realize this the better youll fair .. naivety fear and compliance are a disease

  12. This a powerful and transforming discussion concerning an prison conditions and reform. Truly heartbreaking how we have such a decrepit prison system.

  13. I have trauma from violent parents but I can't imagine the horror of having an abusive system of incarceration piled on top of that for a decade or two like many of the folks who are rotting in jail. I would feel l had nothing to lose and undoubtedly get angry and mean in that situation. I feel flabbergasted when people like this woman somehow keep their dignity intact in the face of such breathtaking cruelty.

  14. They're violent, criminal psychos when they go in. Most should never be let out. Prison should be a death sentence for most.

  15. huge apologies for the thickheads in the replies talking about "most the ppl in prison are psycho" and "well it's not a daycare." They're very obviously missing the point. The propaganda goes deep. Y'all just take care of yourselves.

    If it's known that these conditions destroy people mentally and socially but the system continues steamroll millions of people's lives (over majorly non-violent offences) that's a choice. High recidivism and to-prison pipelines ensure cheap labor. Everyone should be worried because this is only getting expanded and worsened as time goes on. The floors gonna fall out from under each of us eventually and half the people talking shit in the replies are gonna end up in your position.

  16. I see people in the comments asking what she did to get such a lengthy sentence & a quick search yielded the following info:
    Carla Simmons is one of four people sent to prison for the 2004 robbery-murder of Paul Rucker, 64, at his home off Georgia Highway 326 in Banks County.
    The prosecutor's accusation was as follows:
    Prosecutors say Simmons and the others went to Rucker's home, where he lived alone, and that Simmons agreed to dance for Rucker – whom she had met the day before – in order to distract him while the others took money from his wallet.
    'The others' included Donnie Murphy & Torrell Young, who murdered Paul Rucker AFTER Carla Simmons had fled from the house.
    It seems the initial plan did not include murder (for Carla, at least). Should she have been convicted of murder? I don't think so, but she certainly should have got some time.
    I wonder if she is able to be up for parole any time soon?

    Here's a link to caselaw: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-supreme-court/1620027.html

  17. Absolutely awesome to listen to Carla who spoke so eloquently & brought so much insider knowledge of those who are "inside". Shame on the Prison Industrial Complex for continuing to worsen the lives of humans who are already paying for their crime/s with the loss of their liberty. Big up Brother Musa & Lady Page ✌🏽.

  18. I think our penal system is too concentrated. We should NOT have collectivized institutions of such magnitude. These should be locally managed and housed.

  19. When you think that native Americans didn't have any form of prison or nothing related.

    Instead they gathered with the one who did the wrong around a campfire, along with everyone who knew him, and told good old stories from their childhood attempting to remining how good life can be and finding solutions together to the problem that led the man do the wrong in the first place.

  20. A lot of attention is given to police corruption and reform, but little is given to corruption in prisons and prison reform. If there exist such a thing as drug courts the logical extention would be drug prisons. Even on the immate side of it, if they can be so organized as to make their criminal activity/lifestyle continue in prison, why can't they use the same ability to organize, to make prison life more like normal living? It requires the immate's actions to make it a worst enviorment than what it generally is. We still haven't taken police corruption and abuse of power seriously, if we ever do, we should double-down, and tackle the issue of prison reform and corruption, at the same time. They feed off each other. At some point more has to be asked of the public in terms of how we accept these things as the norm, and that they are inevitable. We have to be more insistent that things be corrected, but we must also raise our standards of morals and values. The images that are projected in society, promote anti-social behavior. We can't have our cake and eat it too. If we are to consume images that glorify anti-social and violent behavior, there has to be strong checks and balances to counteract it. Young peole have to be taught the importance of the role of values, standards, and laws, in any society. We have got to get back to basics.

  21. I demand forbearance and clemency for these peoples! Reform with respect. Not demeaning, de-humanizing cruelty. Crime draws from the roots of society's inequities and is a direct result of such gross (economic) unbalance.

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