Pre-Roe lessons for a post-Roe world – Everything Law and Order Blog

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While the country waits with bated breath for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, it is becoming clearer by the day that this impending decision is part of a broader, reactionary push to undo decades of social progress and solidify the US as a hyper-unequal, theocratic, undemocratic fortress state. “All that we have fought for, from voting rights to reproductive rights, has been whittled away since the right began organizing its counterattack 50 years ago. We are entering dangerous and perilous waters, my friends…” So begins this special installment of The Marc Steiner Show, in which Marc speaks with Dani McClain and Susan Simensky Bietila about the right-wing war on women, bodily autonomy, and civil rights, the failure of the Democratic establishment to protect us, and what lessons we can draw from the pre-Roe days of abortion activism that can help us navigate a post-Roe world.

Dani McClain is an award-winning reporter whose writing focuses on race, reproductive health, and political organizing. She is a contributing writer at The Nation, a fellow with Type Media Center, and her writing has been featured in a wide range of outlets, including The New York Times, TIME, The Atlantic, Slate, Colorlines, EBONY.com and The Rumpus. She is the author of We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood. Susan Simensky-Bietila is a renowned activist, artist, and curator who has been producing radical artwork—including barrier-breaking illustrations for leftist newspapers like RAT and The Guardian—for over half a century. She lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and makes artwork in collaboration with movements for social justice advancing the causes of healthcare as a human right, public education, immigrant rights, Indigenous-led movements to protect water from mines, pipelines, and oil trains, and more. She has been a registered nurse for 49 years and worked for many years in OB/GYN care.

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26 thoughts on “Pre-Roe lessons for a post-Roe world”
  1. Sure it's about the woman, she has the right to control her body- not the right to kill another. When a man takes away the woman's control over her body and rapes her then demands an abortion he needs be held responsible for his actions!

  2. What happens to morality? Each person is responsible for their sexual desires, if you don’t want a child? Wear a condom or take responsibility for the CHILD,!! Abortion is NOT taking responsibility!

  3. deep chronic grief. yup. grief for covid victims, loved and unknown. compounded by grief for George Floyd and the other 1200 people killed by cops each year, and for the schoolchildren in Uvalde and church goers in laguna woods and concert goers in LA and … too much grief

  4. Their agenda has always been to make us submit to their authority by selling the ignorant with a promise to return to a fantasy world that never existed. Going back to the Antebellum period, the pitch always has been a return to the "good old days" when everyone knew their place and were grateful for their abuse.
    I particularly fear for the young as so many of them don't seem to understand how important their own privacy is.
    When your whole life is available for anyone with an interest to scrutinize, people you don't know, know exactly what you're doing, what you've done, and what you're likely to do. Young women who miss their period can be investigated and potentially prosecuted when they return after a trip to a blue state and the laws can compel them to submit to an examination to determine if they've had an abortion. And all this is possible/inevitable because we've allowed companies and the government to access and aggregate the data we share.
    HIPPA doesn't apply to the marketing data that Apple/Alphabet sells to anyone willing to pay for it.

  5. As far as I know, the Democrats have not introduced any legislation to protect a woman's right to an abortion, why? This should be one of the major issues in this upcoming election and fighting for this right and others under right wingnut attack should be a ticket to Congress. It also can't hurt to get Republicans on the record voting against common sense legislation. As has been pointed out, these extremist views are held by a minority – and I suspect a relatively small minority at that.
    Of course when one considers the nothing burger the DNC gave its supposed base in 2009 when Obama won in a landslide with control of the House and a filibuster proof Senate, it becomes pretty apparent that the DNC is not interested in passing its supposed agenda, just dangling it as a carrot so people will vote for them.
    As Bill Clinton gloated about his Strategy of Triangulation, "Where are [voters] gonna go?"

  6. THERE WILL ALSO BE MORE INFORMATION GIVEN OUT ABOUT MODERN NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING METHODS SUCH AS THE BILLINGS OVULATION METHOD, THE CREIGHTON MODEL, THE SYMTHO THERMO METHOD, NAPROTECHNOLOGY, ETC. I MYSELF HAVE HAD A HOUSEMATE WHO KNEW A COUPLE AS FRIENDS WHO VERY MUCH WANTED TO HAVE CHILDREN HOWEVER THE WIFE HAD TO BE ON THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL BECAUSE OF REOCCURRING OVARIAN CYSTS THAT SENT TO THE ICU UNIT OF A HOSPITAL, I LET MY HOUSEMATE KNOW ABOUT THE CREIGHTON MODEL, THE BILLINGS OVULATION METHOD, AND NAPROTECHNOLOGY ETC. AND PARTICULARLY HOW THESE METHODS CAN ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE OVARIAN CYSTS, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY ADDRESSING THE SYMPTOMS OF THE CYSTSTHE WAY THAT THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL DOES….. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS A PSYCHOLOGY MAJOR, AND A PRO-LIFE CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN WHO HAS KNOWN A NUMBER OF FRIENDS WHO WERE CONSIDERED CRISIS PREGNANCIES AS PRE-BORN CHILDREN AND WHO CAME WITHIN FEET OF HAVING BEEN ABORTED I AM VERY HONORED TO SAY THAT I STAND UP FOR THESE PEOPLE, I REMEMBER HOW ON MY GRADUATION DAY IN MAY OF 2003, GRADUATING WITH ME WAS A FORMER CLASSMATE WHO WAS MINUS LEGGS AND MINUS AN ARM AS A RESULT OF HAVING SURVIVED A SECOND TRIMESTER DISMEMBERMENT ABORTION, AND I REMEMBER SITT8NG ON THOSE BLEACHERS THINKING, IF THAT MAN WHO DID THAT TO HER AS A PRE-BORN CHILD WAS SITTING NEXT TO ME WATCHING THIS WHOLE DAY OF ACCOMPLISHMENT UNFOLD HOW WOULD HE FEEL ABOUT HIMSELF AND WHAT HE HAD DONE TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY FROM MY CLASSMATE, WHO BY THE WAY AFTER SURVIVING HIS ATTEMPT OF HER LIFE WENT ON TO GRADUATE WITH HONORS AS A FELLOW PSYCHOLOGY MAJOR!!!!!!! SHE IS ONE OF MANY PEOPLE WHO I HAVE KNOWN IN MY LIFE WHO WERE CONSIDERED CRISIS PREGNANCIES AS PRE-BORN CHILDREN. ANOTHER IS A BABY SITTING JOB THAT I ONCE HAD, BABY SITTING FOR A FRIEND WHO WAS PRESSURED INTO ABORTING HER LITTLE GIRL, AFTER HAVING ABORTED HER OLDER SIBLING, THANK GOD HER MOTHER DID NOT GIVE IN TO THE PRESSURE TO ABORT HER SECOND CHILD, I HAD A JOB AS A RESULT!!!!! AND BY THE WAY THAT LITTLE GIRL IS NOW A YOUNG WOMAN HERSELF, AND IT IS UP TO HER AS TO WHERE SHE STANDS, BUT IF SHE DECIDES TO STAND FOR LIFE SHE WOULD HAVE MY SUPPORT 100%!!!!! I ALSO HAVE KNOWN TWO FRIENDS FROM THE LOCAL CHRISTIAN NITE CLUB WHO WERE CONSIDERED CRISIS PREGNANCIES AS PRE-BORN CHILDREN, AND FOR WHOM THE THE VERY PRESENCE OF GODLY PRO-LIFE CHRISTIANS MADE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH, BOTH OF WHOM ARE VERY GLAD TO BE ALIVE AND WENT FROM BEING CONSIDERED UNWANTED TO BEING VERY MUCH WANTED, AND WERE INVOLVED IN THE CHRISTIAN MINISTRY OF THE LOCAL CHRISTIAN NITE CLUB. THEREFORE I SAY TO ALL THOSE WHO WANT TO HATE ME BECAUSE I WILL NEVER SHUT UP IN REGARD TO SERVING BOTH MOTHER AND BABY UNTIL THE DAY I GO AND BE WITH JESUS, I WILL NEVER BE SILENT AS LONG AS PRE-BORN CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE BEING VICTIMIZED BY THE ABORTION INDUSTRY, NO AMOUNT OF CALLING ME EVERY NAME IN THE BOOK, CURSEING ME OUT, OR HARASSMENT WILL EVER STOP ME FROM IN THE NAME OF JESUS BUILDING UP A SOCIETY THAT LOVINGLY SUPPORTS BOTH MOTHERS AND THEIR PRE-BORN CHILDREN!!!!!!!

  7. In spite of the economic downturn, the best thing to be on every wise individual’s mind is to invest in different streams of income that’s not depending on the government to generate funds

  8. 63 million babies killed since 1973. Do you know how many "back alley abortions" occured in 1972, in the US? 39.

  9. The insidious encroachment of White Christian Nationalism and Patriarchy in to American life is a creeping disease that will undermine every aspect of our collective humanity. Magical Thinking of any kind has no business in 21st Century America.

  10. C'mon man your fear mongering…R vs W is not going to be overturned. It is a distraction to yet again divide us. I am what one would call a classic liberal and I am to some degree pro choice….up until a point in the pregnancy. There's most definitely a point when we are talking about the rights of TWO humans to deny that is absurd. We are not living in the days of old. There are many options to do the right thing all around for everyone IE: the day after pill as well as other contraception's. Of course rape and medical conditions are a totally different scenario. My mother had me at 16 years of age. My grandmother wanted me aborted but my teenage mom refused and I would become extremely close to my grandmother. We are talking about lives no matter how much we want to pretend differently….this should be considered. How can that not be considered when screaming about rights? Abortion should be legal but only in the beginning stages of pregnancy IMO. And yes….it ABSOLUTELY and issue that concerns me. All life is precious no matter how easily it can be snuffed out

  11. actually Margaret Atwood's classic book, The Handmaids Tale is panning out very effectively in AmeriDUH… a true regressive shithole…

  12. At the moment of conception a male sperm, at least one, finds a female ovum, at least one, and makes a brand new, never before seen by the human race, set of DNA, at least one.

    That DNA could convict or exonerate you on it alone as evidence.

    It could identify your long dead body, or the parents of the brand new DNA, at least one, who just had sex.

    That brand new, unique DNA, started making cells.

    Clumps of cells.

    It is still doing it, making clumps of cells.

    You are a clump of cells created at conception when dad's sperm met moms ovum.

    Not very sentient though.

    Should we abort you?

    Perhaps this woman you speak of should indeed practice controlling her body. I hear Suzanne Somers has a great thigh muscle builder, so they can keep those knees together.

    It stopped being about women's rights the moment she brought a sperm supplier into the contract, and another human being. At least one.

    Alleged rape and incest issue, at best that speaks to less than 5%.

    Over 95% are because a woman refused to control her body.

    Why should the child suffer for the parent's sins?

  13. It means your trust in the Democrat party has been pathetically misplaced. Obama or Clinton could have codified it. HELL… The democrats COULD STILL CODIFY IT! MAYBE IT'S TIME TO SIMPLY TAKEOUT THE UNIPARTY. MAYBE JIMMY DORE AND THE RATIONAL LIBERALS WHO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WOMAN AND A VIRTUE SIGNAL ARE RIGHT AND YOU MAINSTREAM ESTABLISHMENT FOOLS NEED TO ACTUALLY WAKE THE F UP… BECAUSE YOU'VE RUINED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU TOUCHED WITH YOUR CRT POST MODERNIST PSUDOMARXIST "WOKE BS". WOMAN = XX. MAN = XY. PERIOD. GOOD LUCK IN HELL GENIUSES… YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES FOR YOUR CRAVEN DIVISIVE FECKLESS POLITICS. REFLECT AND REPENT OR ELSE. NO 2A NO 1A NO 4A let alone 14A… that privileges clause is looking pretty important these days eh? LOOK TO MEXICO AND SEE HOW MUCH WORSE IT CAN GET. Remember more people died in the narcowar in Mexico during the 20 long uniparty sponsored global war on terror than died in during the entire US invasion and occupation of IRAQ… society crumbles fast when institutional corruption replaces legitimate government. It's long past time to STOP THE UNIPARTY… WHAT'S AT STAKE?
    1. BODILY AUTONOMY: vaccines abortion etc
    2. Freedom of speech thought and press: online wrong think "misinformation", Julian Assange etc.
    3. Right to ACTUAL privacy: abuse of universal online surveillance w/o the illusion of fisa by fbi, contractors etc
    4. Right to petition or protest the government: administrative state, Jan 6 show trials and BS fake insurrection narrative, wide spread election fraud, police over reach brutality and impunity without the concomitant duty to protect or serve…

    Let's examine the tip of the ice berg of BS: we are "governed" by a criminal rapist president from one of the most corrupt families in US history that's clearly not there at all that one side PRETENDS is competent and in charge while the other side PRETENDS to oppose… we have a real problem and continuing to ignore it because it makes you feel "uncomfortable" won't get your right to BODILY AUTONOMY back any time soon. The working class wishes the managerial and professional class good luck integrating back into genpop with the other 99% now that the technocratic ruling elite thinks it can get by just fine without you… again: welcome to hell.

  14. I suspect the "leak" was put out to try to force women to vote for anti-citizen, anti-human-war -criminal Democrats instead of attempting to find a party that supports citizens needs, wants and rights.

  15. If the crazy people on the right side want something to be overturned start with Terry versus Ohio that violates the Fourth amendment for officers safety which is cowardism public safety is heroism but the cops and uvalde Texas didn't see it that way they decided to put officers safety first above public safety in the result was 19 kids dead and two teachers dead also all because of officer safety and Terry versus Ohio violates the Fourth amendment for officer safety and how did the supreme Court a minor inconvenience into the Fourth amendment overturned Terry versus Ohio if they want to overturn something

  16. reversing Roe is going back to the dark ages!
    i'm so happy to live in a country (the Netherlands) where contraception and abortion are easily and safely obtained…

  17. Hey Mark Steiner abortion is a murder. For how many unborn children murders – abortions were you personally responsible, without adding the one you admitted in your introduction? Abortion is a murder.

  18. This is how sa tanist feminism has turned women, one of most loving and greatest creation of Almighty ALLAH, into inhu man devil ish baby ki ler bloo d thirsty mons ters.
    Sad.
    Feminism first bring out girls from the safety of house with advertisement of "freedom", " success". They use some women as example of success. Then most of the "free" women turns into some kind of prostitutes. They happily sell sex or rapes by Senators, Congressman, Presidents, CEOs, Governors, CNN president, Gymnastics coach or doctor, Professors etc. to gain their success.

    So, all of them need one common thing. Slim attractive body. You know? A mother, a pregnant women is not suitable to meet the conditions of their Sugar Boss.
    But success is the main priority now. So, they will now think the unborn baby is the obstacle, it will make her fat, unattractive. So, they decide to kill it but with a less monstrous name, abortion.
    Ahh….Lust for world turns human insane.
    Then…..
    Few reach the "success".
    Some feel they did't get enough in exchange of sex. So they #metoo.
    Some become actual prostitutes.
    You know what a prostitute need. Slim, sexy body to survive. And again, the unborn baby is the obstacle. Let's chop it into pieces in the name of abortion.
    A prostitutes or any human being don't like to feel unsuccessful. But after all that freedom campaign when their dear feminism turn them into prostitutes they obviously know that this is no dignity. So, they try to dignify themselves by changing the name into " sex worker".

    It's a chain reaction.

    And that's your Freedom, your success that feminism promised you. Sadly you didn't listen to your Lord. You created your own rule. How foolish you are!!

  19. Sorry, but your girlfriend was having Extramarital sexual intercourse , and she was Christian. I believe in abortion. My daughter's right to kill her unborn , defenseless baby. Who are you to stop her?

  20. How about the threat to women’s rights from the left with the trans gender ideology? Men can now identify as women and get into women’s spaces, prisons, domestic violence shelters, locker rooms.

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