The Pittsburgh Massacre and Growing Fascism

1. I used to be a fundamentalist baptist who followed the fundamentalist dispensational interpretation of prophecies about israel converting to christianity. Dispensationalism was popularized by the Scofield Bible full of footnotes about interpretations of israel prophecies and is published by Oxford. The good news is fundamentalism is disappearing among young americans and there are now plenty of nones and atheists.

2. most likely a false flag!

3. Violence (and therefore fascism the oligarchs colluding with military, law enforcement, justice system) was never far away in the U.S. history. After WW2 the Cold War was started to get rid of all left tendencies, the population was lulled with increasing prospertiy, but meanwhile all resistance against the class of the rich and powerful was dismantled (far left, Social Democraticic oriented / FDR style and increasingly the unions).

   There were presidents (D + R) that still upheld the New Deal benefits. Truman unleashed war against other nations but kept the benefits for the U.S. citizens. So the U.S. citizens did not object.

   The Republicans tried to destroy Social Security from the beginning. Eisenhower defended it – agaist a part of his own party. (Maybe his participation to crush the veterans march did make some impact on him).

   Wallace was hindered with shenanigans at the party convention to become VP (they cut the microphone, he was a very popular member of the cabinet, Secretary of agriculture, after FDR the most popular politician. Truman the war mongerer with the wounded ego got the position and was president in waiting. They must have known then that FDR was not in good health).

   The wealthy Democrats had to "endure" FDR, there was an attempt to prevent a third candidacy of FDR in 1940, then it was unusual to have more than 2 terms but the law came much later.

   So the oligarchs in the Democratic party could not get rid of FDR (or could they ? – that high blood pressure that eventually killed him ?? he was not old).

   But with Truman they could continue to have brutal wars of aggression (Korea, Latin America).

   And then then 2 Kennedys, MLK, AND the leading figures of the Black Panthers were all killed. Police started fire at a large but peaceful rally at campus (they shot someone who did not even participate).

   That was not investigated. The country was shocked, the parents …. but the rulers had their grip on the media it seems, they should have doubled down on resisting the fascist state with the "democratic" facade.

   Every time REAL change threatened they used violence.

   They tried a coup against FDR in 1934 as well (Rich U.S. industrialists looked with ENVY at Europe – in many European countries the far right / fascists had taken over (helped by the "conservatives" the wealthy. In Italy 30,000 ill equipped men marched on Rome, the KING refused to let the army use against them. And later when they were before Rome he colluded with them. He thought that these people that were allegedly for the "little people" would help him and his buddies – and he was right.

   In Germany the rich industrialist were promised that the unions would be taken out – and war.
   They financed covertly the Nazis (and they got even money from U.S. industrial leaders).

   The Ford's, Kelloggs's Lindbergh's etc. knew they would need the U.S. military to overthrow FDR – and it was tricky, there was a left mass movement, that was how FDR had enough leverage to force his own party to go along with the measures. There had been a veterans march on Washington asking form their benefits. They came with their families, the then government used teargass, etc. some were killed, many harmed.

   McArthur and Eisenhower participated when the government used the MILITARY against the veterans. General Smedley Butler was sympathetic to their cause.

   So the top brass of the military was not well liked with the veterans, they had not forgotten how they had turned on them 2 years ago. So the plotters turned to Gen. Butler who was in good standing with the veteran community to find out how he thought about it. Butler showed mild interest – said he wanted to know more, and then some more.
   And then informed the White House.

   (He also wrote a book War is a racket).

   I assume there was not enough evidence for a criminal trial, especially not against the really powerful people (they had sent a middleman). Maybe FDR was warned off by the rich in his party. They chose to not let the public know then. (Which I think was a mistake).

4. TRNN seems to be doing some scapegoating of it's own. That's OK JP & BN, TRNN is still my go to network. Keep up the good work.

5. I wish Paul would site some specific examples when he says that some pro-Palestine supporters are anti-semitic. I have worked on this issue for many years and have not found this to be true.

6. American Jews have been sending their money to Israel by the ton for the last 70 years. They also strap on a gun and go and play homesteader there. There was bound to be a backlash at some point.

7. Why this is not called terror attack?

8. I listen to at least 20 other left Progressive media platforms and I find yours the most intelligent. Thank you for this great question answer

9. Why didn't this killing happen to NETANYAHU & HIS SUPPORTER'S, AFTER ALL THEY ARE JEWS! THE BEST KILLINGS THAT COULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED!

10. I offer this article as a basis for discussion of fascism. I think Paul did a good overview of the source of fascism today. Looking forward to your further contributions to this topic. http://rallycomrades.lrna.org/2016/01/21st-century-fascism/

11. Zionists are believers in the "ends justify the means'
    Meanwhile more zionists live outside Israel than in it. Same goes for jews.
    So Zionism is a totally failed ideology.
    Time to force AIPAC to register as a foreign agent under FARA.

12. This is Empire unraveling; the Elites think they can play the race card and confine it to Muslims and people of Color but as Paul points out European and Jewish racism has existed for thousands of years. The World Economy is collapsing, the North African agenda is compromised because of MBS's brazen actions and the racist rants of Trump are causing deadly attacks like Pittsburgh. This is still halftime who knows what will happen after the mid-terms.

13. A majority of white women also voted for Trump. Why do they get a pass? I’m sure a lot of them are wealthy, too.

14. Smash fascism in all countries in the world! –
    Best socialist regards from Germany!

15. I think you guys should cover also this to complete the news
    https://youtu.be/-GY4moB443I

16. I'm so glad TRNN is discussing the Israel dismissivness of the progressive Jews in Pittsburgh. I stumbled upon this I24 report about POTUS being unwelcome, & was struck at how the reporter was unapologetically referring to the Squirrel Hill community PREJORATIVELY as 'Liberal Jews' (seemed like the field reporter was trying hard not to roll his eyes and/or gag every time he said "Liberal") https://youtu.be/PE7SQdnCo_w

17. the green party addresses these issues… why never mention them… other countries have more than one party … one could try to not believe that Democratic party reform is ever going to happen or is what we should focus on

18. I’m listening with great admiration to how Paul tries to explain the complexity without blaming common folks. We have not really a broad fascist movement, but a lot of angry disenfranchised people, who could be turned by demagogues. The more of them we label as Nazis the more they recognise their strength. That’s why Steve Bannon tells them to wear the label as a badge of honour. The only real way how all this hatred, stereotyping, and racism can be overcome, is by members of each group to first question their own righteousness. This includes the radical left. Doesn’t matter your political orientation, your minority status, or other group memberships, tribal traits are rampant and go deep in all humans. We have to give up this pretty thinking of our humanity to be so far above Stone Age man. These traits are a part of human nature, a strong drive that creates both antagonisms and warfare as it creates empathy and bonding, including across group boundaries. No one is free of this, no majority and no minority, not Blacks, not Jews, not Whites or Asians. I didn’t know Paul has Jewish roots, and i guess he felt compelled to mention it in the introduction before he could directly address American Jews to talk about the bigger picture surrounding this atrocity. We are all capable of committing atrocities, and from the inside it usually seems to look as if it had to be to survive an external threat, how ever vague, or as if we had to do it for the survival of our tribe, our ethnic minority, or our “western civilisation”. Now we even have online tribes, can be members of several tribes at the same time, and can have tribal warfare using twitter. All this is a “natural” force ready for harvesting. The exceptionally successful and wealthy investors and hedge fund managers who feed some of these frenzies, aren’t necessarily all evil. Most believe they are doing something good for their tribe or ethnic group, for Human civilisation even. but too often they just play games and feed even the most sinister ideologues and movements. I’d like to know more about the apocalyptic Christian Zionists who are rarely mentioned. They seem to be numerous yet almost invisible, as if operating in a parallel universe. Yet we can’t just project our fears on these people, instead find ways to understand what drives them, and how to get them out of their magical thinking. Things must have gotten really bad for them if these folks are waiting for a cataclysm.

19. Very good and revealing discussion tonite. Great and fair non biased info mentioned by yourselves. As a independent Christian, I,m happy you,ve included the problems of Evangelical being also comlicit to the problem of deifying Trump as a reincarnate of King Cyrus of scripture to periodically sensationalize many other issues to drive their bizarre agenda. It,s now wonder we wound up with Hagee, Trump, and Netanyahu. God help us all!

20. While we're hypnotized, angry and frustrated by the cartoon President, the theatre's on fire, yet we ignore it. The problem isn't the persistence, passion or growing population pushing for progressive candidates, rather its our lethargic response since Nature has a different schedule that has little time and zero patience for years of organizing followed by a decade or more of reforming. Yes, we should try, but an ice free arctic in 2019/2020 ensures scorching temps, crop losses, famine, 7B plus deaths in a few years, not decades, followed by extinction when skilled labor stops maintaining 1600 nuclear facilities. Its a race and Mother Nature is on the home stretch and we haven't even left the starting block. Good luck with that. Spiritual Jews who fail to halt the Zionists who hijacked Israel and despite the lessons of Adolph, waged a solid century of genocide have blood on their hands and earned extinction, while Americans, also lethargic in curing their own murderous hijacked corporate state, and with fingerprints all over crimes in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Mexico and more are no less guilty. Synagogue shootings are another simple lesson. Karma Has Real Consequences. You reap what you sow. Where did I read that?

21. I think the Pittsburgh Massacre is a mild depiction of the impunity with which Israel Massacre innocent Palestinians in droves without a single retribution from the hegemonic America. This shooter is not only an American but a Christian. Has anybody called him a Christian " Terrorist"? NO! Instead what we hear is words like "antisemitism", "Nazi" a "Gunman" etc etc etc. Will American now take a collective punishment stance on Christians and white because of the evil action one crazy piece of shit? American and Israeli hypocrisy stints!

22. Ref; quigley formula by Carol quigley? Parties don't work left or right wing the Eagle still needs both wings to work in sync! Unless govt representation is by those serving the people and not the people serving the govts!

23. Like some Hebrew Yogi reciting a mantra , I think Mr. Norton used the phrase " antisemitism " about 15 billion times . He never mentioned " fractional reserve banking " once . The entire dialogue between Norton and Jay was like a baseball player , Norton , who swings with all his might , but completely misses Jay's fast ball . The older Jay has a much more objective , grounded view . Using and manipulating simplistic linguistics won't solve your problem . Declaring every thing " anti-semetic " and " fascist " or "racist " won't solve your problem . The root of the hatred of Jews , is how Jews use misuse intellect to manipulate MONEY . Creating a sustainable , interest free currency issued by the Congress , not issued by a cartel of corrupt Bankers , many of whom happen to be Zionist Jews , might . Spend as much time discussing " fractional reserve banking " and you might begin to solve your problem .

24. The #1 enemy of the Nazi's were the communists, who just so happen to also be mostly Jews.

25. Nazi's were the 'National Socialists Workers Party' Left, not right.

26. A lot of Jews support open borders except in Israel.

27. George Soros is a Jew and he's definitely for open borders.

28. Now anyone who thinks we should have borders and strong immigration policies is a Nazi. See how that works?

29. The fascism is coming from the media and silicon valley. Online censorship is modern day book burning.

30. Bower could be a deep state Manchurian.

31. Outside of Aaron mate this channel is trash

32. Tank you for the best analysis I have heard on racism and anti semitism

33. My respect, Paul Jay. Much needed conversation. Thank you TRNN.

34. manufactured concent all orchestrated by the bankers…

35. Weaseling into all the highest positions of governments and High Courts, this why they were booted out of 109 countries ………The Israeli Lobby UK
    In the first of a four-part series, Al Jazeera goes undercover inside the Israel Lobby in Britain. We expose a campaign to infiltrate and influence youth groups, including the National Union of Students, whose president faces a smear campaign coordinated by her own deputy and supported by the Israel Embassy.
    PT1……..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc

    In part two of The Lobby, our undercover reporter joins a delegation from the Israeli Embassy at last year’s Labour Party Conference. The programme reveals how accusations of anti-Semitism were made against key Labour Party members – and how a former official at the Israeli Embassy was upset when her background was revealed
    PT2 ……http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuk1EhkEctE

    In part three of The Lobby, our undercover reporter travels to the Labour Party Conference, revealing how accusations of anti-Semitism by group within Labour targeted Israel critics and saw some investigated
    pt3…../http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dn-VV3czc

    In part four of The Lobby, the senior political officer at the Israeli Embassy in London discusses a potential plot to 'take down' British politicians – including a Minster of State at the Foreign office who supports Palestinian civil rights.
    PT4…….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pddH2sfNKNY

36. preach paul

37. Oh Paul! Please tell me you're not going for that lesser of two evils horseshit! Not again.

38. Profound commentary and analysis by Mr Jay, with some great support from Ben Norton. His take on the history of jewish progressiveness and antisemitism in the US made me think of the the McCarthiysm era. It's biggest success was not, IMO, the propping up of the military industrial complex, as rightfully warned by the leaving President of the time, but by silencing the strongest progressive voices of that epoch, voices that could be loudly found in the jewish american diaspora. – it came to fruition by the next decade with the targeted assinations of the Kennedys and MLK (etc), and with a progressive movement tamed in the aftermath of McCarthyism – by putting fear (of not being able to work anymore among other things) in their hearts. So, it is with that optic that I think the first question was actually relevent, since the attack was on a Temple attended by many progrerssive jews and the aftermath of all these exactions from the extreme right and the concerted efforts from alt-right troll farms to pollute the discourse on the web in general and some progressive youtube videos comments sections in particular (Jimmy Dore vids come to mind), will translate in a call for more purges that will silence important voices of this generation at a time they will needed to be heard.

39. Jay, when has participation in bourgeois electoral politics ever changed anything? The capitalist system must be destroyed. We're out of time. Revolution is the only solution.

40. A majority of Americans are sick of both parties, and some vote for people like Trump because the left doesn't seem to offer a viable alternative.
    We HAVE a NON-corporate party on the ballot in almost every state now, but most Americans don't KNOW about it. Thanks, corporate media, but we could use more coverage from alternative media too!
    If people like Justice Democrats and Our Revolution would help build the Green Party, rather than trying to change an ENTRENCHED corporate party that REFUSES to change, and we GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE…
    We CAN build a viable party for the movements and the working class.
    It would help too, if more people from the old socialist groups could act less sectarian, and help build working class UNITY under the cover of the Green banner.
    Enough people have learned enough politics that the "Democratic" party can no longer be a gathering place for the working class majority, (thank dog!).
    The Green Party is the new gathering point to take power in the U.S. for the progressive movements and the working class.
    www go.org

41. If we want these Mass Murder Events to stop, we need a law that all photographic/video evidence be public, so that we know what the hell went on, and who actually is doing it. As it is, the photographic video evidence is a State Secret, and we have to rely on the Police FBI and CIA Project Mockingbird News Entertainment Industry to tell us what happened. (The Perp/Patsy is either dead, or thrown in a dungeon and we never hear their side of the story.) And let's face it, we are NEVER told what actually is happening, we have Political Police Theater. (9/11, San Bernardino, Pulse, Parkland, Sandy Hook, Squirrel Hill). There is always a "Police State Premier" associated with each one. 9/11 was "War on Terror" and PATRIOT Act, Pulse was war on Syria to defeat ISIS, San Bernardino was Government back-door on Encryption, Parkland was Denounce your neighbor and Police doing Home Checks to kidnap dangerous social media commentors and take them to a mental institution for evaluation and treatment, Squirrel Hill was Police Snipers in Army Fatigues on American Streets and outlawing "Anti-Semitic" Speech, Columbine & Sandy Hook was Cops in Schools "School Resource Officers", Oklahoma City was Terrorism Legislation. There is always a Police State/War agenda attached to each one, so the Public MUST have access to view all photographic/video evidence, so we aren't taken for a ride straight into Orwellian 4th Reich America. (Which we have been on, ever since Truman Nuked the Japanese people twice and created the CIA).

42. American evangelicals have made a deal with the devil. Sounds like an oxymoron or paradox of some kind.

43. Good Conversation. IMHO, our last/best Hope is to purge the 2-Fisted Political-Party Mafia running an extra-constitutional layer of government. We could petition the Supreme Court to purge political parties from operating in our legislative bodies. Failing that, it's clear the USA People can no longer afford D.C. We need to close D.C. down, and dismantle their Nukes, Military and "Intelligance Community" Global Assassination Organizations. Go back to our States and work for a just and equitable society on a more local level. Either the American People will step up and do it, or we will have to wait for the coalition of the willing, we'll welcome them with flowers. (P.S., it wasn't "nihilism" that got people to vote for Trump, it was CNN 24/7 Trump Tweet Breaking News, selling the NBC Media Property for 21 months leading up to the election).

44. Soooo. Not Russian! Not Iranian! Not Syrian! Not Yemeni! Hmmm,seems like maybe all the bombs and bullets and financial terrorism are going the wrong direction!

45. If we were talking white Americans and Europeans flooding Israeli border with caravans of migrants too their land mass, funded by both the EU and US identity citizens. Private or otherwise, this would be a different conversation and Israelis would be ready too go nuclear. You do unto others what you want done into you.

46. Don't know if you're aware of what is brewing in the South American region but things look pretty grim for the world: Latest from Florida Maquis

    10*29*18~20,000 HEAVILY ARMED COLOMBIAN TROOPS STAGING FOR VENEZUELAN INVASION!

47. People throw the Fascism label on anything they don't like these days…and actually since WWII lolProblem here is that people mistook the systems they voted in for something other than a ruse.

48. Mr. Jay finally got the word to describe America, degenerating. What we see in America is what caused the mass post 1492 refugee crisis from Europe. Everyone needs to hear this. Much respect to Paul Jay.

    The war in Afghanistan opioids have come home to roost.

49. Synagogue's always have security!

50. The racial divide in the world is over nation states. You have Jewish identity nationalists in America and apartheid state of Israeli, saying it's okay to be a Jewish identity nationalist in any nation. However telling white Americans they can't be in their own nations. Same to the Arab and Iranian people. You can't have it both ways. Either all drop it or it will continue on the same. You are talking rights over ideology with this narrative.

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