The Nation’s Rachel Shabi analyzes why Labour was crushed in the last election. She also explores what this says about the future of political struggle in Britain, the United States, and the world.
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Good news for the Scott’s Labour is finished
Rachel Shabi dithered. She may be right about about Brexit – to a limited extent – but surely Labour's fence sitting was not the reason for Corbyn's defeat!. Both parties were sitting on the Brexit fence, It must have been a deep distrust of Corbyn – Labour motives – and election promises – to cause Corbyn to crash so badly.
Twenty years of propagandizing by the Murdoch press & their fellow travelers have pulled the wool over the eyes of the common citizen to the point that they believe that up is down & black is white. It's quite simple really.
It's ok to wear our Britain First badges now, and with pride, the smashing back of the Left begins in the new year, I hope many will still wear their EU regalia, to make it easier for us. Be seeing you.
The British Left doesn't have the numbers to win nationally on their own and yet see coalition with the more centrist elements of Labour as anathema. So what will the Left do? Given their current political point of view, one they insist on maintaining, keeping on keeping on will be their direction and keeping on keeping themselves distant from political power will be the result.
Bojo the Bozo and Donald the Dumbo!
With the Tories in power you will see the UK as in my words, they will be in the Brexshite hitting the fan. UK need imports ££££££££££££££££££££££££££
pink tory entitled remainer shill – still in mourning for blair
All labour needs is a leader who doesn't overtly hate the country and turn the radicalism down from an 11/10 to like a 5 or 6 or something
Are we going to pretend the lib-dems didn't split the remain vote while the leave vote united under conservatives…. peerage for farage says this is the case. This dumb centrist narrative is sad.
This was a one issue election: Brexit. Boris Johnson literally ran on this singular issue with the promise of ending the ridiculously painful and drawn out process quickly and decisively. The results of the election are in every sense a second referendum on Brexit with the people once more giving a resounding Yes to leave.
Brexit, to the British, is not about immigration or whatever other wedge issue the spin doctors might try to portray it as, it's about sovereignty. More and more the EU has been centralizing power with member nations capitulating their sovereignty to the unelected technocrats in Brussels. The British had had enough and wished to leave while there was still a chance to do so and the ruling establishment has tried to make an example of the British lest the people of any other member nation decide they also have had enough.
Corbyn, for some reason, felt it wise to run an important campaign with a wishy-washy stance on Brexit which sounded an awful lot to the British public like either a second referendum or more delays and more of the same BS. All other issues were irrelevant at that point.
Of course, it also didn't help that Corbyn had been outspoken about the rights of Palestinians and had been critical of Israel's incessant war crimes. The Zionists, especially through their influence on British media, had created the false appearance of there having been an anti-Semitism problem in the Labour party and had gone after the image of Corbyn himself challenging his role as the Labour leader.
There were other small things as well, but these two things overwhelmingly affected the results of the election.
I think the country is pretty polarised during every election. If anything the huge conservative majority suggests that Corbyn has managed to reduce the polarisation by being so useless.
The Labour middle got gutted. That what happens when you don't back up your party colleagues. They look weak
You mean the British don't want open borders and globalism either? Surprise.
Died on arrival
Corbyn was smeared continuously by the state broadcaster BBC, so that neverending unchallenged negative propaganda was a huge influence on their perception of him.
The U.K. must have forgotten the "Battle of Orgreave" on 18 June 1984 when Thatcher crushed labor and the unions! When you forget history you are doomed to repeat it. Corbyn should hang in there and see how Brexit plays out. This might be the boost labor needs.
The moment she said "Hard right" – I instantly knew she was a utter fool. Thumps down. Shame i love the Jewish people.
This marketing analysis gets pretty tired after the umteenth time hearing it. Labour, Corbyn and the progressive movement have been and are under relentless attack by an atrociously corrupt UK media. The right have had decades to sabotage democracy through a media fully owned by wealthy elites. The "conversation" is based on lies and outright misrepresentation. Any productive analysis must begin with this glaring fact. UK gave Boris Johnson a majority because Brexit was made THE issue by the media and was sold using narrowly defined and patently false premises.When Lying to the public becomes a crime, voters will make more rational decisions. That day is likely never to come.
In the meantime, we'll just have to play the game and pretend that the current media-influenced system, with its imaginary market forces, are what guides the public's decisions and not the lying media baffle gab like, "we need to take back our sovereignty" and "let's spend the money we save from Brexit on our NHS". I expect a far more critical analysis from TRN. Labour's defeat wasn't because of Jeremy Corbyn or his party's manifesto. It was the result of an extremely successful campaign by the right against change of any kind using Brexit and a long since weaponized mass media.
The conservatives broke new ground by creating the nationalize/privatize cycle, allowing resources to be rehabilitated on the public dime and sold.
Five years of tories will make Labour (the left) stronger world wide.
Wow this interview was hideous. I want the real left on the channel again thanks.
anti-semitism unite the far right and far left in a syop coalition that already exist 2000 years
The "Conservative" party "far right"?? LMAO. Typical from a Guardian columnist.
They got crushed because every day regular people are sick of leftists posing as "liberals ". Same nonsense going on in the United States and boy it is going to be yet another Trump win in 2020. The leftists in America live in a bubble echo chamber, either you comply or they crush you, smear you. The left throughout history has been this way embracing big government, totalitarianism, censorship. Just crack open a history book and research for yourself. I'm not a fan of Trump but he will crush the Democrat party in 2020 they just handed over a 2nd term.
More stupid stuff like transgender pronouns, that is the major issue that will make everything better. Support identity politics! Way to go Labour!!!
Is Steiner, in his concluding comments, advocating for some "grand coalition" of the center and left?
If so, any serious discussion of that strategy has to take into account the historic duplicity of the former, of their propensity to stab in the back anyone to their left who's foolish enough to leave it exposed.
Oh look, a guardian journalists refusing to acknowledge their part in running a smear campaign against Corbyn.
How ironic
Rachel is either incapable of data analysis or she is a right winger in disguise trying to persuade us, as all right wingers do, that it was the Left and Jeremy Corbyn who caused the election loss. Elections are won by seats, and Labour lost 60 seats of whom all voted to leave. The second referendum/peoples vote was forced onto the Party by Kier Starmer, Watson, Thornberry, Mandleson, Blair and Campbell. All with the intention of destroying the leadership. They threw the election to get rid of Corbyn because they are themselves careerist politicians/Tories.
Political parties do not rise or fall on the rightness of their morality or the effectiveness if their policies but on their ability to align both factors with a winning majority of the voting public. Labours morality and policy have become to date an insurmountable hurdle to achieving a majority. Identity politics is a divisive force in itself, and labour must ask itself why any person would vote for a party that does not support and value them. Surprisingly perhaps a majority of white Cis men are still willing to contemplate voting Labour but the question now is, is Labour willing ask them for their vote? The answer given by many Labour candidates is, "definitely not!"
I watch crowds, which are much more informative than the polls, and I urge candidates to review crowd shots for signs of approval or rejection. When a listener closes their eyes and pulls their head back it is a very bad sign.
Labour got their collective asses kick .. it’s going to take them almost as long as the demonrats to recover 🤣🤣🤣
Labor would have needed 103 votes from the conservative camp assuming the minor parties were aligned with the Labor Party.
So there is no chance of labor ever winning if the conservatives stay solidly together.
We could not imagine democracy without representative institutions so why can we not imagine democracy without parliamentarism?
Labor should go further left and seek to place a referendum for the destruction of parliamentarism and neoliberalism and replace it with a labor democracy.
Neoliberalism cannot be scrapped unless its parliamentary form is scrapped. Tories will do everything to keep parliament intact and, therefore, neoliberalism intact.
maybe the problem is the two party system- two corrupt war pro capitalist parties just like the USA; Corbyn tried to pull the left but failed his own party attacked him sold him out just like Sanders
Although I respect Rachel views she is as per normal completely biased to her far left point of view.
Jeremy Corbyn was a disaster for labour he does not support of speak for the working class he is supported by momentum their cult of student politics for socialism and anyone who remembers 1979; never ever wants to go back left wing socialism ever!
The country would be absolutely bankrupt and regardless of what momentum and the rest of SJWs want democracy has won 70% of the UK voted and 47% of that vote went to the conservatives.
Regardless of what Rachel’s opinion is Boris Johnson is more to the centre than most past conservative leaders and there is a real danger for labour now that the conservatives will rule of decades.
Labour must eject the ultra far left; who are just as dangerous as the far right. We need to get back to the centre ground politics that we had from 1997-210, until we do labour will never again get into power.
I was a Labour voter but as long as the far left have control of the party they have lost my support forever.
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The Green Party saw a huge increase in voting, by 60% in this last election. Labor's poor showing, while the Green Party is surging, should be a wake up call… but it is being ignored.
It's time for labor to start working with the Green Party… not only in the UK, but here in the US also.
As a member of the Green Party, I can tell you that we still see resistance from like minded allies, that would rather work within the Democratic Party, than work with us in the Green Party. That keeps us divided and will result in disastrous election results all around.
I'd like to see DSA, Labor, and SPUSA finally break free from the Democratic Party (which is rapidly going the way of the Whig Party) and start working with us as allies. If we remain splintered, we are doomed.
Behind the scenes, Tony Blair is still calling the shots in the Labour Party. He and his Blairites forced Corbyn to champion policies that aren't his precisely to make him lose the election. With that goal achieved, they are now going to finish him off. So the question is not difficult to answer: Labour will continue to be the useless Blairite "Tory Light" self-service outlet it has been since 1994.
Politicians in all three branches here in the United States of America are not to be trusted. Our media is not telling us the truth because the money behind the ink is biased. Our system is broken on all three levels. State and federal agencies are corrupt and are no longer for the people by the people.
The future is a bunch of old people I'm sure lol..and they all hang around as long as they can to protect their money..I think everything is a business instead of humanity as a goal..if the white house was for the people then I think the majority should be the people..and not rich old people making decisions for every one..I'm sure every country is like ours for the most part..the rich and old control everything