Prof. Leo Panitch says Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn held out as long as he could and made a tactical decision to support a second referendum on Brexit.
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well information about the actual labour politic, the current brexit-deal has been failed, further negotiations should be done.
This was very insightful, thank you.
He didn't
This one action killed JC and killed Labour…
Another cultural Marxist psydo academic……….Can you not get an analysis by somebody who has a geniue impartial honest opinion….????
Err, it wasn't a turn around. It was spoken about and written into Labour's manifesto. People should try reading it.
It was always an opinion if all else fails.
Jeremy Corbyn has got the legitimacy of the people's vote… So why hasn't he got the courage, and conviction to uphold our people's democratic determination?
Watching them count the ballot papers makes me laugh, you can hear them saying" no, yes, no,maybe"! What kind of a goverment can find all the excuses to carry through the countrys wishes, Oh we have, and it wont be just the brexit vote
I know why corbyn wants a second referendum because he as not got the balls to stand by his own conviction of being a Eurosceptic . He as turned his back on the British people who voted to leave the EU and WON the referendum . corbyn is a liar and a turncoat .
Leo – The PLP is NOT the Labour Party. Corbyn's Brexit is undemocratic. Don't mistake No Customs Union with discrimination against immigrants. The Single Market replaces the Common Market which was NOT Common. You did not advocate British Polices for Britain or the benefits of UK Independence from the EU considering the Scots want to adopt the Euro. Maybe you are also unfamiliar with rightsandwrongs.co.uk and cowcatcher.co.uk ?
Look no one in politics actually wants to leave! They love the club and it's financial kick backs, the Gravy Train of Brussels, to think other3ise you are blind! They talk a good show, but since the vote of the referendum went against a government under David Cameron who thought no one would vote go, in their arrogance they grew complacent. Now they are trying to claw back the stance without owning up to the reality. As for your speaker speaking here, is that how Israel think? We may want a socialist government, thought of that? I know the USA and their Israeli overlords prefer a right wing, but it's not up to them. At the end of the day they are all puppets.
Shame on Corbyn.
or for that matter, President of the United States…
My understanding is that there aren't enough votes in Parliament to vote in a second referendum…which makes Corbyn's 180 rather moot…? And we KNOW the right-wing Israeli government doesn't want Corbyn!
Why are workers/voters who want to take back control of their borders…anti-immigrant? I live in a small town of 3,000 people. I welcome new diverse faces and businesses, but if half of Somalia relocated here ballooning our town to 20,000, english no longer the tongue, old traditions lost, I would probably vote UKIP too.
Labour's 2017 manifesto stated, QUOTE: 'Labour accepts the referendum result…'
Labour's 2019 manifesto reversal DOES NOT accept the referendum result. Labour now supports a second referendum!
The democratic 2017 General Election rendered UNDEMOCRATIC! FALSELY elected Labour MPs! That number of Labour MPs, now subject to obeying Corbyn's voting orders, are the cause of the current threat to observance of the referendum instruction…A DIRECT DEMOCRATIC INSTRUCTION!
Corbyn opposes ANYTHING the Government proposes. He wants CHAOS in Parliament, in the hope that it will trigger a General Election. The Corbyn promises of unaffordable milk and honey for all will work just as well as it did in 2017. Don't ask who'll be paying for such "promises", or you'll realise it'll be the Private Sector. That WILL bankrupt the UK. And his disarmament of the military and abandonment of our nuclear deterrent WILL invite our invasion.
All IMHO.
Contradictory thoughts by Panitch…1) Current party is leftist at base and corporate in parliament; a socialist party could and needs to win next elections, and 2) Splitting the party now along the lines of economic policy and aspects of foreign policy (with current centrist formal party domination keeping Labour handicapped politically/socialy) is working against the long-term view of…getting a much needed socialist party….because when the fight is raging, you obviously – according to Panitch – need not fight to win the fight, you must prolong the state of affairs…OK, makes sense….
Because he didn't respect the first one ….. isn't it obvious ?
The idiocy of the election or referendum position of the Labour party is that it practically rests upon the expectation that Theresa May or the EU would do Labour's job, or worse, that it should/would do Labour's job… i.e. the stance and expectation that a) unless May's deal clicks Labour's boxes, it is unwelcome and in principle the least preferable option, b) Labour would get a much better deal out of an EU (which would actually love to make a bad example out of leftist Labour), c) faced with the context of fighting within a national political structure defined by former rightist politics, unless these are changed preferentially before Corbyn takes power (by a "good brexit deal" out of May's negotiation or EU's push towards favourable
to Labouroutcomes), Corbyn would rather have a referendum that would 1) cancel Brexit and still lock UK in Eu policies with limited wiggle room, or 2) start the process anew with or without new elections, and kick the can down the road, but now with the country even more weakened by the long negotiation period, expecting things would be better then somehow. The real question is: what's your strategy to enforcing progressive policies and what is the space for positive change in either case? Do you argue in favor of this policy to the public that voted you, Corbyn, for a change in the Labour party and the country?Why is Panitch arguing that the Labour members who voted to leave would be in danger of falling victim to "UKIP anti-immigrant appeal"? That is not a political qualitative analysis, it could barely qualify as a generalization of quantified data supplemented by broad-stroke political commenting. This is very "mainstream" truth-positing argumentation, which practically adopts the pro-neoliberal/globalization talking point, that if you choose to set sovereign democratic limits to the implementation of economic policies (in a neoliberal context), you're an anti-immigration proponent (why even choose this specific stance to amplify of all policies associated with national/local based political processes), as if there are no arguments against EU policies from the left of the political spectrum….In fact, making this the implicit/self-evident (even worse) truth, is what really risks ideologically transforming people in the Left who strategically vote to "leave" (by considering that there is no actual room for leftist politics in the EU, and that in a national context, while there no such guarantees exist, no set limits either, and this could be used as a means to transform politics and protect/enforce popular will as a starting-point and foundation for internationalist progress), by leading them to conclude that unless a nationalist mentality is dominant, this will not happen and that the Left is unwilling or unable to lead the way….this will only lead them to adopt at least a utilitarian view of nationalism, which isn't there to begin with.
Because he sold out. Corybn used to be anti-NATO and anti-EU, now he's pro-both.
Corbyn looks weak. Not good for Labour. Corbyn should expose the Zionists behind the antisemitism smear. He should expose how the Zionists have exercised power over certain MPs. Instead, he backs down. His party is better off without the Blairites. He more that means, the better.
Why give into the phony anti-Semitic smears?! Israel is meddling in Britain's politics not to mention the US!!!!!
No deal is the only deal
Corbyn should keep his eye on the prize, and the prize is Brexit. A clean break from the EU is in order. Down with the neoliberal globalists.
I am sick of this worldwide anti semitic garbage, political theater . People aren't against jews, they are against Israel, Netanyahu and his parties apartheid right wing politics. If anyone can't practice, well those that can, use freedom of speech to show dissent to the Israelis treatment of the Palestinians, then the world is turning into a right wing police planet. Me personally I detest Netanyahu and the Israelis political policies and the hate they spew regarding the Palestinian, also lets put Iran and Iraq in that sentence, so does that make me anti semitic, I don't like Trump and his pamper wearing right wing white old men that are calling themselves Republicans, so does that make me an American hater. There are good and bad people all over the world, but look at the lies we are fed on a daily bases from the worlds political elite, with the mainstream media stoking the fire instead of challenging the lies. This is a world being run from a lunatic asylum with all the inmates running riot.
In 2014, Labour leader (the first of Jewish heritage) Ed Miliband fell foul of the Party's pro Israeli financial backers.The subsequent loss of funding caused by his concern for Palestinian's meant him backtracking; the following year 2015 he visited Israel and shook hands with Netanyahu. It's conveniently overlooked by the media how the right of the Party were deeply at odds with his tepid deviation from neoliberal orthodoxy; his proposal to regulate the private rented sector and utility companies, plus his opposition to bombing Syria. Israel isn't an isolated issue, the Blairites can't tolerate an anti-austerity, anti imperialist agenda.
Because you don't just get to U-turn on a democratic vote.
Argue it until your blue in the face. But it's time to get a grip.
Great interview, thanks
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the queen of deathClinton / BillNAFTAClinton variety, the Tony Blair variety, and gunho for the american empire, or theres an old set of socialdemocrats, some of them are young people. But you know, they think in terms of the old mixed economy. Lets get back to the 1950's aragement of responsible capitalism."Nationalist malware has been downloaded on to the british public, it's quite scary now.
George Galloway, on talkradio has a good segment on this topic. It's the good oll, EU or democracy.
The world is a mixed economy, everybody wants a profit in one way or another. All the capitalists are making money selling Communist goods to Socialists. How the hell is anybody supposed to figure out how to create a better system? 🤣
It was a tactical decision. A 2nd referendum that includes all 3 options is guaranteed whether Labour supports it or not. Labour will have to make its position clear when it is tabled anyway. Corbyn by agreeing to support a 2nd referendum between the deal and remain to prevent a no deal exit has placed Labour in a comfortable position to vote against the 3 option referendum when it is tabled, to distance Labour from no deal exit if it wins and the consequences.
People will appreciate the genius of the tactics only when no deal exit wins in the referendum, not before.
Because he’s an hypocritical twat. This bloke, is American. I’ve known Corbyn for many many years and he has been solidly anti the EU since 1975. Corbyn is your typical 1960s throwback Marxist, as is John McDonnell. Corbyn has never had a good word to say about the corrupt bureaucracy in the EU, until he was made to pretend to back a second referendum by the Blairites.
Corbyn should have had the balls to stick to his lifelong principles and the UK would have him in power by now.
As it is, both parties have shown their utter contempt for the electorate and as such, Labour won’t be getting a sniff of power for at least a decade. He was going for the London brainwashed kids vote. Newsflash; most 18 yr olds couldn’t give a flying fuck about politics and voting.
In both the UK and Venezuela, the 40% most educated hoard all the land and Wealth. But, how can this be, when UK voters allow capitalists to rule government, while in Venezuela the voters allow socialists to rule government? Because, government is nothing more than the organized morality of society, namely, everyone feels they deserve to be rich.
Your so called expert seems to know the history but his conclusions are utter rubbish. The referendum was a straight choice between what they are now terming a 'no deal' brexit and remaining. The leave 'no deal' scenario was laid out clearly in the £9 million letter sent to every household in the country prior to the vote. It was a propaganda letter threatening anyone who was thinking of voting leave. It said in plain English that leave means leave, no customs union, no free movement, no European Court, no turning back. Unfortunately for Cameron and 75% of all politicians who supported remain, the electorate comprehensively rejected the scaremongering and voted to leave on a 'no deal' basis. As soon as article 50 was put into motion Brexit was betrayed. Because there was no need to do it. In exactly the same way Heath and his cabinet had unilaterially taken us in, May and her cabinet could have just repealed the 1972 act and unilaterially taken us out. Then from that position the EU would have bent over backwards to give the UK the best deal ever. The EU will fall apart without UK input. Our problem is there is absolutely no political will to leave, so unless a hard line leaver was premier then we were never going to leave. The last 3 years have just been all about fudging the issue. No one is more aware of this than Corbyn but unfortunately the zionist Israel freindly Blairites who traverse both Labour and Conservative have got some dirt on him. Nothing could be more obvious, Corbyn is not a clever man he's actually a bit thick. Brexit was never going to happen and will now only come about when not if the EU falls apart.
No deal WTO terms stop paying 20 percent vat no more great for hard suffering families
Fantastic video and excellent guest, thanks for such consistently solid content.
The position the Laboir Party has taken has always been, sound, sensible and never reactionary. The UK, if Twitter is any measure, has lost its fucking mind, attacking Labour for not being 30 points ahead while still believing the media portrayal of him. Meanwhile…he has amazingly steady, talking to the EU, ( who'd much rather deal with him in my opinion) coming up with solutions free of the rhetorical bullshit that the Tories have used to paint us into the corner we're in or the mad hard Remainers who at this point become somewhat unhinged.
This man is the right guy for the job of running Britain. No Tory comes close.
10 – 1 Corbyn caves in for another referendum.
Another referendum isn't such a bad thing.
He's been forced into it by his political enemies in the party, who like the EU because they're neoliberals, and deliberately, on the part of the Blairite hired strategists, to drive a wedge between Labour and Corbyn on the one hand and the old Labour working class voters who Blairism alienated and drove out, especially outside London, who voted Leave for the same reasons they supported Corbyn and the Labour left wave, to kick out the old and break the stranglehold of the neoliberal, London elite. Their plan, which looks dramatically more likely, is to engineer another Tory general election victory so that, as in the 1980s and 1990s, Labour members will be forced into despair, and in despair, let them resume control of the party and present the British electorate with the same old fait accompli as during the Blair years, of no socialist choice to vote for, so they can hope to obtain power by restircting Britain's democracy. The fact is that those old Labour Leave voters are the very opposite of unconditional party loyalists, mostly having been non-voters since the Blairite deletion of the party's socialist identity in 1996, if not since the mid 1980s, in the case of those appalled by the Labour party's failure to support the NUM during the great strike of 1984-85, and their support can be forfeited very easily, especially if the Labour party, including its nominal left wing in Momentum, are seen for any length of time as having betrayed the referendum result, and still less if the Remainiacs in the party are successful in helping engineer a second referendum in which no-deal Brexit is not an option. Without those several million working class left votes, Tory victory is almost inevitable, and indeed, with the degree of polarisation of the electorate displayed in the 2017 election result, only the demoralisation of a fraction of that left voting bloc will be sufficient to cause Labour to lose. Remainiac assumptions that more people will have been won round by the Remain argument (which boils down to middle class privilege and a mixture of judgementalism and condescencion towards working class Leavers) amount to little other than wishful thinking, and gambling that those highly skittish working class old leftist voters will be won round by other policies is just that, a highly dubious gamble. As it is, not only are the 2017 policies under continual threat from the neoliberal vast majority of the parliamentary party, who would absolutely certainly vote down the manifesto after a Labour general election victory, but a suite of those policies, crucial for Greening the economy and reviving the blighted regions outside London, run directly contrary to EU laws and treaties, concerning the wholesale contracting out of public services for EU companies to be able to bid to loot, state aid for targeted industries to enable them to be developed and grow in the UK, and budgetary rules currently enforcing austerity all over Europe, revealed by the harsh measures imposed on elected governments in France, Italy and Greece which tried to end austerity.